--On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:51 -0800 Melinda Shore
<melinda(_dot_)shore(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com> wrote:
On 3/21/13 9:19 AM, SM wrote:
I welcome feedback from anyone.
All righty, then. I do think that when someone is offering an
opinion on the role of the IESG in moving work through the
IETF, it's helpful if they've actually brought new work to the
IETF, socialized it, negotiated with ADs around creating a new
working group or rechartering an existing one, etc. Because
the IESG effectively functions as gatekeepers to taking on new
work, it matters a lot that they have reasonably wide
visibility into the industry and into real-world networking
problems. Having an IESG in which everybody has pretty much
the same background is not how you achieve that.
It appears to be the case that people don't understand the
gatekeeping role of the IESG in bringing new work into the
organization unless they've experienced it directly.
FWIW. I would add to the above that it is hard -- perhaps not
impossible, but hard-- to understand the document approval role
of the IESG and how it works in practice without experiencing it
first hand. That experience could come from inside the IESG or
as a WG Chair, author, or shepherd who gets to be on the front
lines of the interactions. I think it is a problem that others
in the community --especially those who end up on the Nomcom or
making suggestions to it-- don't have that understanding those
experiences bring, but it is a bit of a separate problem except
when it gets tangled up in this sort of discussion.
I, and I believe Melinda, have been pushing back on several of
Martin's comments and a few of yours, not because you lack some
particular credentials but because those remarks don't describe
the workings of the IESG in its various functions as we
understand and have experienced it. At least for me, every "you
haven't done X" or "you haven't been a Y" comment isn't about
qualifications to comment but is merely a hypothesis as to why
our understanding of how the system works and yours and/or
Martin's are different.
best,
john