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Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-16 09:09:03
Hi Loa,

I agree with you discussions are our friend. I was focusing on
processing time, not document quality. No dought if you stay longer
time you will get better quality, but what about progress. So I mean
call for discussions is for a time limit, as if no discussion happends
then the call matures and the holding of the work stops as well. If
DISCUSS is continue I never like to close it as long as it is
continuous, but not delayed. In practice I never seen that DISCUSS of
ADs with the WGs are having much continuous communication, it is delay
with no time schedule.

99,9% of the DISCUSSES improve our documents or the understanding
of them.

I know that DISCUSSES with WGs improves our documents (don't forget
that WGs are following milestones and WGLC periods), but DISCUSSES
that have no time limit makes more delays. I hope we see similar times
of WG into the IESG, so the communication can improve the processing
time.

AB

On 5/16/13, Loa Andersson <loa(_at_)pi(_dot_)nu> wrote:


On 2013-05-16 14:38, Abdussalam Baryun wrote:

Discussions should have a time limit (can be one week),

I totally disagree, DISCUSSES are our friends, they need to be
discussed until we have rough consensus; it seems to be a
manifestly bad idea to draw a deadline after seven days, if
someone come up with a satisfactory solution on the eighth.

99,9% of the DISCUSSES improve our documents or the understanding
of them.

/Loa


like we have
in meetings (2hours), if there is time we can know when things are
needed to respond to, I usually ignore when there is no milestones or
planing-time. Does IESG have milestones for documents
processing/discussions?



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