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Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-18 03:08:00
The problem is that WG participants SHOULD follow/update their
milestones and take responsibility to progress work to thoes goals
direction. The Chair SHOULD follow the WG requests, or the Chair
SHOULD encourage discussing the milestones. I already requested before
that all WGs SHOULD discuss their milestones and update it in each
meeting or on the list. If no one cares then the result is WG failing
some-goals which no one realise until long, but some people outside
the IETF are watching such performance.

AB

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Keith Moore <moore at
network-heretics.com> wrote:


I don't think milestones will be useful unless and until:

(a) they're defined in terms of not only concrete but also meaningful
goals (e.g. "complete problem definition", "identify affected parties
and groups representing their interests", "complete outline of initial
design", but NOT "revise document X");
(b) we start automatically suspending the activities of groups that
fail to meet them (no meetings, no new I-Ds accepted, mailing list
traffic blocked), until such groups are formally rechartered; and
(c) IESG is reluctant to recharter groups that have repeatedly failed
to meet milestones, especially if those groups haven't produced
evidence of significant progress.