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2013-08-01 03:51:59

I found the process in the 6tsch BoF (Tue 1520) for asking about taking on the 
work discussed in the BoF to be thought-provoking.

Toward the end of the BoF, the chairs asked the question "1. Is this a topic 
that the IETF should address?"  First, the chairs asked for a hum.  From my 
vantage point (middle of the room), the hum was pretty close to equal, 
for/against.  I reviewed the audio 
(http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf87/ietf87-bellevue-20130730-1520-pm2.mp3, 
starting about 1:22), and heard a slightly louder hum "for".  The BoF chairs 
decided they needed more information than they could extract from the hum, so 
they asked for a show of hands.  From the audio record, there were "a lot" for 
(which matches my recollection) and "a handful" against (my memory is that no 
hands showed against).  There was a request to ask for a show of hands for "how 
many don't know".  The question was asked, and the record shows "a dozen".

So, there was apparently a complete change in the answer to the question based 
on humming versus voting.  There may also have been some effect from asking, 
after the fact, for a show of hands for "don't know".

I'm really curious about the results, which indicate that, at least in this 
case, the response to the question is heavily dependent on the on the mode used 
to obtain the answers to the question (which we all know is possible).  In 
particular, the effect of humming versus show of hands was pretty obvious.  
draft-resnick-on-consensus gives several reasons why humming is preferred over 
a show of hands.  From this example, it seems to me to be worth considering 
whether a more honest and accurate result is obtained through humming rather 
than a show of hands.

The other question raised in my mind is why the initial result from the hum, 
which did not have a consensus either way, was not sufficient.  "Roughly the 
same response" for/against the question would seem to me to be as valid a 
result as explicit consensus one way or the other, and the act of taking a show 
of hands to survey the appeared to treat the hum as irrelevant, rather than 
highly significant. 

- Ralph


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