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Re: [dnsext] SPF isn't going to change, was Deprecating SPF

2013-08-26 09:48:49
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 08:39:36AM -0400, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:46 PM, manning bill <bmanning(_at_)isi(_dot_)edu> 
wrote:


        the question is not that "nobody" checks type 99, the question is
"is the rate of adoption
        of type 99 -changing- in relation to type 16?


As John pointed out, support for checking type 99 has decreased and
continues to decrease rather than increase. So waiting longer is not going
to solve the issue.

        that is unclear...  we have second hand reports, but only actual
        data from very recent DNS logs.   did those numbers increase or 
        decrease?  No evidence has been presented.

Putting a statement in an RFC does not mean that the world will
automatically advance towards that particular end state.

        ain't it the truth.  -BUT- its still worthwhile documenting the 
        best technical path and why it was abandoned.   The issues wrt
        wildcards (thanks), DNSSEC considerations,  and code overhead to 
        demux type 16  vs.  the temporary problem of two lookups -IF- type 
        99 is not used, plus past guidance from the IAB and the IESG really 
        need to make it into a document in the RFC cannon.
        

Forcing a WG to adopt a position to suit another constituency is not going
to lead them to advocate for that position in deployment constituencies.
Particularly when the original constituency does nothing to advance
deployment.

        Dorthy Parker said: "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't 
make her think".
        Point the bias arrow either way youd like.  And as stated elsewhere, if 
Yahoo, Google,
        Microsoft, AOL, et.al.  were simply waiting for the IETF to settle on a 
solution,
        I'll raise O'Dells law;  "The installed base does not matter".

        End of the day, the SPFBIS wg is adament in their choice, document, 
explain
        and move on.  

        Robert Heinlein: Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time 
and it
        annoys the pig.

        I think the SPFBIS folks are annoyed enough...




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