Re: Web Anniversary

Aha, thanks for that Lloyd.

On 13 Mar 2014, at 07:38, <l(_dot_)wood(_at_)surrey(_dot_)ac(_dot_)uk> 
<l(_dot_)wood(_at_)surrey(_dot_)ac(_dot_)uk> wrote:

> I suggest forwarding much of this discussion to
> the internet-history list to be captured.
>
> http://www.postel.org/internet-history/
>
> Lloyd Wood
> http://about.me/lloydwood
> ________________________________________
> From: ietf [ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf Of Ole Jacobsen 
> [olejacobsen(_at_)me(_dot_)com]
> Sent: 13 March 2014 01:07
> To: Robert Elz
> Cc: John C Klensin; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
> Subject: Re: Web Anniversary
>
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2014, Robert Elz wrote:
>
> >    Date:        Wed, 12 Mar 2014 13:35:56 -0400
> >    From:        John C Klensin <klensin(_at_)jck(_dot_)com>
> >    Message-ID:  
> > <60CBF25E851513F3E437727D(_at_)JcK-HP8200(_dot_)jck(_dot_)com>
> >
> >  | As others have pointed out, the first international connections
> >  | were to the UK and Norway, not The Netherlands.
> >
> > The UK and NO links were really arpanet links, not internet, and
> > were subject to all of the arpanet restrictions.  For example, I am
> > reasonably sure that mail from janet users to arpanet users did not
> > travel over the arpnet's UK link.  I suspect the same was true of Norway.
> Initially, yes, but TCP/IP was introduced in 1983. We certainly had
> connections between SATNET, UNINETT in Norway and networks on the
> other side of the Atlantic around that time. (I worked at NDRE and
> later at NTARE). The initial connection to Norway was at NORSAR, the
> Norwegian Seismic Array, to measure all those frequent and strong
> earthquakes we have in Norway --- not ;=)
>
> > So, while it was technically true that there were those international
> > arpanet links, they (like all the private intra-company links, whether
> > they used IP or something else) don't really count as internet links.
> The claim was that the first international [Internet] link was created
> by the Netherlands and happened in 1988, that's certainly not true.
> It's at least 5 years too late, and it wasn't the first anyway.
>
> > I would certainly count the NL link (really, EU link, that happened to
> > terminate in Amsterdam) as the first international true internet link
> > (in that it connected other networks, not just an end system or two).
> See above.
>
> > But wrt ccTLDs you're right, NL certainly wasn't first - excluding US
> > and UK (which were registered before registrations opened...) I think
> > the first was IL (and it would have been 1985 - before the 1986 reg
> > date cited for NL).    Ignoring UK, NL might well have been the first
> > European TLD registered though.
> Of course UK should have been GB as per the ISO code, but Postel
> granted them an exception. Lots of good history to tell here, but
> this is probably the wrong list :-)
>
> >  | I really wish that we could somehow restore the spirit of a
> >  | collaborative effort, one with many cooperating contributors to
> >
> > It would be good, but it is too big for that now, and includes all those
> > people whose primary interest is publicity (including politicians of
> > course) - for whom outlandish claims and self promotion are normal.
> >
> > kre
> Ole