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Re: DMARC and yahoo

2014-04-21 14:20:33

On Apr 21, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Dave Crocker <dhc(_at_)dcrocker(_dot_)net> wrote:

On 4/21/2014 9:36 AM, John Levine wrote:
They could fix it if they
wanted, e.g., by arranging to whitelist mail sources that don't match
DMARC's authentication model but send mail people want.  This is not
just mailing lists, of course.


Sorry, but I'm not quite understanding what additional mechanism you have in 
mind.

Exactly who does exactly what?

Who has to adopt it?

How will it scale?

Dear Dave,

Each domain can simply point to their desired white-list. This can be one 
published directly or simply referenced as described in:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-otis-dkim-tpa-label-06#page-8

This has elements from the moribund ADSP.  The sender wishing to protect a 
domain while also applying policy like that of ADSP or DMARC can offer 
receivers a rapid and scalable method to check third-party domain 
authorizations.  This means senders are always able to defend recipients who 
trust messages from their domain.  Please note, authorizations can also require 
presence of a List-ID.  Other schemes, such as SRS, end up treating 
third-parties the same, which never works. 

Perhaps being a bit crass, those who have decided to adopt DMARC for their user 
accounts have a vested interest in seeing mailing-lists fail.  Their revenue is 
often based on ads displayed in a user's browser.  Forcing use of some social 
web site has an advantage of injecting ads while also balkanizing group 
efforts.  Is the IETF ready to offer their own version of a social website or 
start an email version of a three-card monte game of "Where is the From?  Must 
all other group endeavors demand some social allegiance or can these sites 
become federated using something like XMPP and give up on email?

Regards,
Douglas Otis











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