So there is only one set of ethical rules for scientists and engineers then?
Thats news to me.
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Lawrence Rosen
<lrosen(_at_)rosenlaw(_dot_)com> wrote:
Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
Like the question 'are you a spy' which they used to ask when people
entered the US, I fail to see how this helps with the NSA/FSB/PLA/etc
problem.
The question actually is: Do you agree to the ethical rules for scientists
and engineers?
By the way, those ethical rules require only disclosure, not recusal.
/Larry
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From: Phillip Hallam-Baker [mailto:hallam(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com]
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Subject: Re: Author disclosures and conflict of interest
Like the question 'are you a spy' which they used to ask when people entered
the US, I fail to see how this helps with the NSA/FSB/PLA/etc problem.
The people who are being paid to subvert the standards aren't going to say.
They might not even know that the objective is subversion.
Like many IETF participants I have substantial financial interests in several
Internet companies besides my employer. Am I meant to put those in a blind
trust?
And even if I did all that people would still assume that I am working as an
agent of the New World Order. Though quite how the other folk on the
conference call worked out that the helicopter is black still puzzles me.
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Lawrence Rosen
<lrosen(_at_)rosenlaw(_dot_)com> wrote:
I’ve been skimming recent threads on this list relating to work done
(or not done) at IETF and was reminded of this from Science Magazine:
Authorship Form and Conflict-of-Interest Statement
To meet its responsibility to readers and to the public to provide
clear and unbiased scientific results and analyses, Science believes
that manuscripts (including Brevia, Essays, Perspectives, Policy
Forums, Reports, Research Articles, Reviews, and Viewpoints) should be
accompanied by clear disclosures from all authors of the nature and
level of their contribution to the article, their understanding
regarding the obligation to share data and materials, and any
affiliations, funding sources, or financial holdings that might raise
questions about possible sources of bias. Before manuscript
acceptance, therefore, authors will be asked to sign an
authorship/conflict-of-interest form. Specific information will be sent to
most authors at the time of manuscript revision.
Authorship Form and Statement of Conflicts of Interest [PDF]
Part IV regarding “Conflict of Interest” is particularly relevant to
standards organizations such as IETF. Such a disclosure requirement
would further encourage everyone to trust and implement IETF specifications.
This document follows the recommendations in On Being a Scientist: A
Guide to Responsible Conduct in Research, The National Academies
Press, Third Edition (2009).
/Larry
Lawrence Rosen
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