On Monday, August 11, 2014, Mary Barnes
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On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Warren Kumari <warren(_at_)kumari(_dot_)net
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On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Christopher Morrow
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On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Rosen, Brian
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Yes!
This was another problem with the construction at the Fairmont. Many
of the
rooms had windows blocked because of the view into the room by the
construction. I had to wait an extra couple of hours to get a room
without
this “feature” when I checked in.
this all seems like lots and lots of faffing about something easily
solved with: "do not stay in the ietf hotel"
Yes.
It also seems that much of this could be solved by recognizing that
there are a large number of constraints already in place, that finding
locations in which we fit is already tricky, and that, no matter what
folk believe, the IAOC not actually a: comprised only of idiots, or b:
malicious.
Most folk on this list are engineers (or play one on TV) -- this
naturally leads to 1: I know better, and 2: I can optimize this
process, how hard can it be?!
We are going to a location to get work done (or, at least, that's what
I was led to believe), not hang out on a beach or sit in your hotel
room, sipping Mai Tai's.
[MB] Right, which is why we *really* should get away from arranging
meetings at resort locations (e.g., Orlando during one of their busiest
weeks of the year). [/MB]
We already have enough of a problem with folk
not being able to justify attending meetings because their managers
think that it is a boondoggle that complaint about perhaps, maybe, not
being able to see the sunset from your window doesn't help.
[MB] Personally, I'm not there for a boondoggle and at this point I have
no sponsor but have bought my airline ticket as we are right in the range
of optimal airfares to Hawaii (at least from the US). The reason I would
not want scaffolding outside my window is as I note, I am in meetings all
day long in meeting rooms that look like those of any random meeting hotel
around the world (in much less expensive locales), so, I have a strong
preference to not have one of my few views of the outside world blocked by
scaffolding. Perhaps, you can help us all out and volunteer to take one of
those rooms when you check in for the good of us fussy folks ;) [/MB]
Are you really asking Warren, who sacrifices probably twice the number of
days as you to both help build the network as well as doing significant
"real" IETF work to somehow checkin to a "substandard" room almost a week
before you arrive and somehow ensure you get the "standard" room he somehow
ensured you'd get by his selection of a "substandard" room?
My question to you is would you sacrifice your "room with a view" for a
working internet, in your hotel room and common areas, and in the meeting
rooms? Pick your fussiness fight carefully. ;)
Chris.
Warren "first day back from vacation and grumpy already" Kumari.
especially if you can find a better rate at a 'not ietf hotel' hotel.
(as I have done in paris, toronto, berlin, orlando (ick!), london...)
good luck folks!
-chris
--
Chris Elliott
CCIE # 2013
“You and I are mirages that perceive themselves”
--Douglas Hofstadter