On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 01:17:59AM +0000,
l(_dot_)wood(_at_)surrey(_dot_)ac(_dot_)uk wrote:
while I applaud your efforts and the efforts of the posters you
cite, the fact remains that security rules the IETF these days, and
so the security directorate rules the IESG. There is consensus
because the security directorate has decreed there is consensus. So,
this document, which concerns security, will get published. There is
no remaining oversight.
Consensus != unanimity. And it is the duty of the working group chair
and the area directory to determine whether rough consensus has been
reached. If someone consistently addresses the same arguments,
ultimately someone has to make a choice about whether or not consensus
has been reached. So in fact, this is how things are supposed to
work.
There is oversight, which is the established appeal process, but
ultimately, it might be useful to remember the fact that a decision
was reached that happens to disagree with your particular opinion does
not necessary mean that there was a process violation.
Cheers,
- Ted