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On 11/15/14, 5:10 PM, Matthew Kerwin wrote:
On 16/11/2014, Brian E Carpenter
<brian(_dot_)e(_dot_)carpenter(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
wrote:
On 16/11/2014 07:34, Yoav Nir wrote:
Imagine Wikipedia with nothing controversial: nothing about
abortions, religions, genetics, evolution…
And that will not happen, so Wikipedia will simply ignore "safe",
so browsers set to request "safe" will just get raw Wikipedia, so
"safe" will be useless for parents wishing to censor their
children's access to Wikipedia.
This straw man serves as a handy informative illustration.
Wikipedia doesn't (currently, or likely into the future) offer a
'safe' option.
Wikipedia doesn't offer a 'safe' option, so of course the hint
isn't for them, so of course they will ignore it. Us standardising
the preference doesn't suddenly force the entire web to present
safe/unsafe versions of everything.
But creating a standard may very well mean there will be a time where
they can't ignore it, and that concerns us. (this is the opposite of
the non-adoption of p3p and PICS, in a sense)
Thanks; this is a good illustration of why this whole thing is a
pointless fig leaf.
Once again, this hint is just a means of preempting the server's
question: "do you want safe mode?" The example that comes to mind
is Google's 'safe search', which I presume is the naming
phenotype.
If they don't ask the question, they can ignore the answer.
I wonder, again, if renaming it to "Prefer: x99-bob" would assuage
most peoples' concerns, at least had the renaming happened before
opinions were formed.
I don't think that would make a bit of difference. ::) It would
undoubtedly make it worse as people would use it for a myriad of other
bit expressions and then it would be essentially meaningless, but
standardized meaninglessness.
best, Joe
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