--On Wednesday, December 03, 2014 07:44 -0800 Ralph Droms
<rdroms(_dot_)ietf(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com> wrote:
...
I will repeat my suggestions from the previous review cycle
for this document:
Here are my opinions on how to proceed...
First, it's important that RFC 2418 be updated to allow for a
WG secretary to take on greater responsibilities, at the
discretion of the WG chairs. It's also important that the
update include formal recognition that WG secretaries should
be given access to WG support tools. Therefore, I recommend
that RFC 2418 be updated with a short RFC that expands the
potential role for WG secretaries and that formally grants
permission for secretaries to have access to WG tools.
I continue to hope that we have not gotten so procedurally
ossified that a decision to give Secretaries access to some
tools requires an update to RFC 2418 rather than a simple
announcement by the IESG to the community (or even case-by-case
decisions by a relevant AD). But, if that is what it takes, I
like Ralph's suggestion which would be, at worst, harmless
clutter.
Second, because the [the document contains] a series of
recommendations that may not apply to all WGs and that may
change over time, I recommend that this very useful material
be integrated into the IETF wiki "Working Group Chairs' Page"
<http://www.ietf.org/wg/chairs-page.html>
An excellent suggestion, IMO. And, again, the observation that
this way suggested months ago and not responded to either in the
document or on-list is an example of what caused me to infer
that feedback was being ignored.
Last Calls of individual submissions of this sort of procedural
document are just too expensive for the community to do a second
one until and unless the authors have made a good-faith and
public effort to respond to legitimate comments from earlier
rounds. If the authors and/or Shepherd don't feel that people
like Ralph or myself have sufficient experience for our comments
to be treated as legitimate and serious then they should say so
and we can all move on.
best,
john