Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input
2016-05-25 17:29:41
That was not the point. Let me explain again:
Your work requires you go to a given place for a business meeting. That place
will not allow you to go with your family because sexual discrimination. You
can’t refuse to go to that place because you only want to go there if you can
bring your family.
You still can go there and fulfil your job according to the work laws in your
country, even if you don't bring your family. Right?
Saludos,
Jordi
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De: ietf <ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org> en nombre de Cullen Jennings
<fluffy(_at_)iii(_dot_)ca>
Responder a: <fluffy(_at_)iii(_dot_)ca>
Fecha: miércoles, 25 de mayo de 2016, 22:56
Para: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and
request for input
On May 24, 2016, at 7:14 PM, Melinda Shore
<melinda(_dot_)shore(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com> wrote:
On 5/24/16 2:20 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
I said this already a few messages ago. If instead of the IETF is a
business meeting that your boss tell you need to go (at least in my
country, and here comes what you said about different cultures), you
will have no choice: a) Go there b) You’re fired, maybe unless a
colleague can make it for you and your boss accept it But
definitively, you will not be able to argue in front of a court to
defend your job that you can’t go there because your family need to
go there with you and that country don’t allow it.
Allow me to suggest that you know no such thing, and that
you're presenting a strawman argument that may, in fact,
be completely false. US companies tend to come down on the
side of supporting diversity and rejecting bigotry - take
a look at the response to North Carolina's HB2.
My employer has in their code of business conduct strong support for exactly
what Melinda is saying. I do not believe anyone at my employer would be fired
for being unwilling to put themselves in a position of sexual discrimination.
My experience is that most large international companies have similar
policies.
It's fine to make conjectures, but please couch it in
terms of "I think this is what would happen." I believe
that in this case you'd be incorrect.
Melinda
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