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Radu Hociung wrote:
Hector Santos wrote:
There are really several reasons why I oppose HELO checking with
SPF. Here they are, in order of importance, as I perceive it:
1. Checking HELO is unreliable, and may cause more mail bounced.
Nonsense. What this suggest that ALL mail is deliverable. It is complete
nonsense. It there is a problem with a system, most, if not all, prudent
operations will quickly resolve the problem by correcting their system.
Most legitimate systems are NOT going to run a non-compliant server.
Please stop with the rtherotic.
Hector, I lost you here.
You're "proving" my thesis wrong by proclaiming your own theories as
correct. We will never make progress like this. You need to use PROOF to
show a theory wrong, unless very obvious it's wrong.
Of all, you are probably one of the most suited people here to come up
with RESEARCH to prove a theory wrong, given your position at
Santronics, which I understand develops mail software.
If I had log files that contained a meaningful sample size and (IP,
HELO, MAIL FROM, SPAM decision) information, I believe I could prove all
my points, but I do not have such log files.
So until you can counter my claims with some proof, I have no other sane
choice but to ignore your comments.
And vice-versa. You have hardly proven your points, you have simply made
assertions that many people here do not agree with.
Since SPF as currently implemented has clear advantages over not using
SPF you need to be clear and concise as to what changes you are really
looking for and provide convincing evidence that they are genuine
improvements over existing practice.
For myself, I really do not understand what changes you are proposing.
Yes, SPF is not a silver bullet to fix e-mail. I doubt that anyone who
is actually working with it believes that it is. But if you believe that
it needs to be changed it is up to you to explain your changes and prove
that they are an improvement over what we are already doing.
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