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[spf-discuss] Re: Exclusive v. Open SPF records

2005-09-05 19:58:33
Jasper Wallace wrote:
 
When I can be fairly confident that any random recipient I
send mail to will not go thorugh a forwarder that dosn't do
SRS, then I can change to -all.

That might take decades.  Still your decision of course, but
personally I had a reason to be interested in SPF, numerous
bogus bounces (etc.) caused by one spammer forging my domain.

The FAIL hit him - not sure whether he really got it, but at
least he stopped to forge my (vanity) domain excl. two weeks
last month (maybe a test).

Your idea that SOFTFAIL instead of FAIL is "less dangerous"
with random recipients might be very wrong, the opposite is
also possible.

So far I had one case of "false" positive:  The next hop saw
a FAIL and rejected (100% as specified).  And therefore the
forwarder sent a bounce back to me.  I got it, used the "new"
address as indicated in the bounce, sent it again, ready, no
harm done.

Your method SOFTFAIL is less clear, maybe the next hop tries
a TempFail (4xx).  You'd probably never see this, unless the
forwarder decides to inform you ("message delayed - trying
again for four days" or similar).

Sooner or later the next hop might decide to accept this SPF
SOFTFAIL, adding a "Received-SPF: softfail" trace header.  At
this point it's up to the clueless user what happens.  Worst
case is "kill as spam without reading".

Really a clueless user, forwarding arrangements from non-SRS
forwarder to an SPF-MTA without white listing the forwarder
_cannot_ work, that's how SPF is designed, intentionally.

Now it's still up to you what you do, but your theory "SOFTFAIL
is less dangerous than FAIL" is very dubious.  I prefer clear
and noisy errors instead of whatever clueless users might try.

                         Bye, Frank


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