Re: [Slightly Off Topic] mail server [was: Re: [xsl] Source code formatt

Yes, it's all about what happens when people start spoofing. Then: watch out.

-- Gerrit

-----Original Message-----
From: Imsieke, Gerrit, le-tex gerrit(_dot_)imsieke(_at_)le-tex(_dot_)de 
<xsl-list-service(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com> 
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 9:25 AM
To: xsl-list(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com
Subject: Re: [Slightly Off Topic] mail server [was: Re: [xsl] Source code 
formatting]

I remember when Mulberry needed to take the difficult decision to change the 
sender of each and every message to 
<xsl-list-service(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com> (albeit prefixed 
with the sender's name and actual email address).

The best solution for your and John's email clients would be if they returned 
to sending with the original sender's address, but for legal and/or technical 
reasons this was no longer possible.

I'm afraid there's not much they can do about it.

-- Wendell


On 31.07.2020 15:16, Geert Bormans geert(_at_)gbormans(_dot_)telenet(_dot_)be 
wrote:
> Hi Wendell,
>
> Don't worry, I get all my messages from Abel (as Gerrit pointed out) I 
> experience similar issues as John does, I need to see my iPad or phone 
> to know the sender of a message I guess Gerrit is not too far of 
> suggesting that the first ever message I received from this address 
> could have been from Abel and my client remembered it I always assumed 
> it was a header incorrectly appreciated by some mail clients ... it is 
> however worrying that Abel's email address is exposed (and yours)
>
> Might be an issue to take up with the list admins... but not until 
> Balisage is over ;-)
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Best regards,
>
> Geert Bormans
>
> ----- Op 31 jul 2020 om 15:02 schreef Abel Braaksma, (Exselt) 
> abel(_at_)exselt(_dot_)net 
> xsl-list-service(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com:
>
> John and XSL-List,
>
>
>
> I don't know whether to be charmed or horrified.
>
>
>
> So who else gets all their XSL-List messages from me? (You don't have 
> to answer if you really don't think it's on topic.)
>
>
>
> Regards, Wendell
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: John Lumley john(_at_)saxonica(_dot_)com 
> <xsl-list-service(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:45 AM
>
> To: xsl-list(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com
>
> Subject: Re: [xsl] Source code formatting
>
>
>
> I have exactly the same problem with xsl-list read on my iPad... all the 
> messages now appear from Wendell Piez, so unless there is identification of 
> originator in the message body, I have no firm idea of who is the sender.... 
> Unless, as in this case, I compose a reply.
>
>
>
> Ok on Thunderbird on my Windows machine.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> > On 28 Jul 2020, at 23:02, Imsieke, Gerrit, le-tex 
> > gerrit(_dot_)imsieke(_at_)le-tex(_dot_)de 
> > <xsl-list-service(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting, Geert, how your email client apparently regenerated the header 
> > of the original message instead of just quoting it literally. Your email 
> > client seems to hold a database of senders by email address. When 
> > regenerating the headers, it won't use the real name under which the message 
> > was sent, but instead it will use the stored sender name associated with 
> > that address, which happens to be "Abel Braaksma, (Exselt) 
> > abel(_at_)exselt(_dot_)net" for 
> > <xsl-list-service(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com>. Abel might have 
> > been the first to post to the list after you set up your email client, 
> > therefore it stored Abel's name.
> > In addition to that flaw, the email client didn’t quote the original 
> > message. But maybe this can be switched on by an option.
> > Sorry, probably a bit off-topic...
> >
> > Gerrit
> >
> > > On 28.07.2020 23:44, Geert Bormans 
> > > geert(_at_)gbormans(_dot_)telenet(_dot_)be wrote:
> > > Hi Willem,
> > > Not sure if this would work with the particular VCS you are using,
> > > but have you considered not to use a formatter when adding the XSLT
> > > to the VCS, but tune the actual dif (ignoring whitespace in
> > > attributes as an example) Delta XML have done some work in that area
> > > for GIT I believe, maybe you find some inspiration here
> > > https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
> > > w
> > > .youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DYmfzhK4aR1c&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cwendell.pi
> > > e
> > > z%40nist.gov%7Ce508c6c6180d471b198808d833827e63%7C2ab5d82fd8fa4797a9
> > > 3
> > > e054655c61dec%7C1%7C0%7C637315982851829409&amp;sdata=LzKbVfJklhCWYtn
> > > u
> > > VUYkbpn5fUIr6l4%2BGOjQ3xb8H3I%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > > Met vriendelijke groeten,
> > > Best regards,
> > > Geert Bormans
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > -
> > > ---
> > > *Van: *"Abel Braaksma, (Exselt) abel(_at_)exselt(_dot_)net"
> > > <xsl-list-service(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com>
> > > *Aan: *"xsl-list" <xsl-list(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com>
> > > *Verzonden: *Dinsdag 28 juli 2020 23:18:00
> > > *Onderwerp: *[xsl] Source code formatting Hi list, Like many of you,
> > > I assume, I use a version control system when working on XSLT projects. I'm 
> > > working together with multiple people, and we run the code through an XML 
> > > formatter before checking it in to avoid formatting differences showing up 
> > > in the diffs.
> > > The problem is that, due to attribute value normalization, carriage returns 
> > > are removed from attribute nodes during XML parsing. When using long XPath 
> > > expressions (and this has become very common in XSLT 3, especially with 
> > > higher order functions), which are split in multiple lines, this results in 
> > > huge single line outputs which are impossible to read.
> > > It seems any sort of XML processing will irreversibly transform the 
> > > whitespace, therefore I have to choose between:
> > > - No formatting
> > > - Formatting using non-XML tools?
> > > - Finding a parser that bends the rules...
> > > Have any of you experienced the same problem and did you find a solution?
> > > Thanks.
> > > Willem Van Lishout
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