Charles Lindsey wrote:
In <005d01c4ad37$c1f8efa0$6401a8c0(_at_)hdev1> "Hector Santos"
<winserver(_dot_)support(_at_)winserver(_dot_)com> writes:
PS: There should not be a Newsgroups: header when sending your email.
Atleast this MUA is thinking it is a newsgroup article when replying. We
have a similar newsgroup emulator for email/mailing list. Your news reader
is doing the right thing, but whatever is on the backend, needs to clean it
up before it exports it back into the email system as a "email message" not
as a news article. I am just saying is that the stupid MUA will use the
Newsgroups: header an email vs. newsgroup indicator.
An MUA that chooses whether to followup to Usenet or to reply using email
simply on the basis of whether a Newsgroups-header is present is severely
broken, since it is normal behaviour for a message which is both posted to
Usenet and emailed to individual recipients to include a Newsgroup-header
(how else are recipients to know that both media were involved).
Charles, as you did not include a Reply-To field pointing to this list,
you forced respondents into using a "reply-to-all" function, and those
UAs which support both news and mail (including Netscape/Mozilla,
Outlook Express, and Pine, several of the most widely used UAs for either
mail or news) include specified newsgroups in such a "reply-to-all". That
problem caused by your failure to indicate a response recommendation which
includes the mailing list is exactly the subject of an ongoing discussion
on this mailing list, and the specific case of the bogus Newsgroups field
in your messages has been raised here within the past few weeks.
I agree that, in this case where the newsgroup in question is purely local
to my own server, my backend could well have edited out the superfluous
header, and I really ought to fix that (and maybe I shall make it put a
Reply-To in at the same time).
And this is neither the first nor second time that the problems you have
caused have been brought to your attention in painstaking detail; e.g.
(edited for brevity):
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:07:32 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: Mark Crispin <MRC(_at_)CAC(_dot_)Washington(_dot_)EDU>
To: Charles Lindsey <chl(_at_)clw(_dot_)cs(_dot_)man(_dot_)ac(_dot_)uk>
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, Charles Lindsey wrote:
Your message had a header of "Newsgroups: local.usefor" which is
unreplyable. There is no such newsgroup as "local.usefor" here at the
University of Washington.
Now I find that remark odd. Like many others on this list, I gateway my
mailing lists into local newsgroups for convenience of handling. Not
surprisingly, the evidence of that is visible when gatewayed back into the
list. But that should not affect your ability to reply.
Your message arrived to me in email with these headers:
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:54:36 GMT
Message-Id:
<200302191554(_dot_)PAA22604(_at_)clw(_dot_)cs(_dot_)man(_dot_)ac(_dot_)uk>
Newsgroups: local.usefor
Path: chl
From: "Charles Lindsey"
<chl(_at_)clw(_dot_)cs(_dot_)man(_dot_)ac(_dot_)uk>
To: mrc(_at_)CAC(_dot_)Washington(_dot_)EDU
Subject: Re: IMAP and Netnews
Since there is no mention of the
usenet-format(_at_)rkive(_dot_)landfield(_dot_)com email
address, any reply that I send would not go to the Usefor mailing list.
Furthermore, the reply would try to send to a newsgroup called
"local.usefor" which does not exist here.
I was forced to edit out the bogus newsgroup, and edit in the mailing list
email address, manually in order to compose this reply.
Please be courteous and use properly replyable headers. It is unseemly
for a document editor to send unreplyable messages.
The Newsgroups
header currently has no defined meaning within email, though it is
commonly used as an informational header to indicate that a message has
been posted and mailed
Not only is that the only sane definition of that header, but mail/news
software used by millions of people worldwide use that definition.
I emailed two copies of that message, one using the "cc to poster" feature
on my news agent, which would have included "To:
mrc(_at_)CAC(_dot_)Washington(_dot_)EDU"
and one to the Usefor list using "To: usenet-format(_at_)landfield(_dot_)com".
Both would have had my usual "From: ...". Both fully compliant AFAICS.
Are you saying that you deliberately composed a header to prevent my reply
to go to the Usefor mailing list? Or is your software broken?
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That was nearly twenty months ago, and was crystal clear about the
problems you are causing others. What's the delay in fixing or
replacing your broken software (and/or as Mark has intimated,
your attitude)?