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Re: Intent to revive "expires" header from draft-ietf-mailext-new-fields-15

2008-07-30 10:35:57

Okay but why is Expires: better than Expiry-Date:? I have the impression that existing uses of Expires tend to do the wrong thing whereas uses of Expiry-Date tend to do the right thing or at least be benign.

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On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Pete Resnick <presnick(_at_)qualcomm(_dot_)com> wrote:

On 7/30/08 at 9:56 AM -0400, Keith Moore wrote:

Even if we say that mail transport and message stores MUST NOT delete messages on the basis of this new field without recipient consent, implementors of such products will have a hard time resisting the temptation to add such a feature which seems obviously useful to them.

So, I believe there is a saving grace here, and that we will be able to go ahead and use "Expires:" instead of "I-Dont-think-you-want-to- read-this-after:"...

If, e.g., Microsoft were to implement message deletion based on the "Expires:" header in, e.g., Exchange, they would immediately be sued or otherwise have their heads handed to them. The reason is that they will instantly cause companies to be in violation of all sorts of corporate compliance laws and discovery orders. They simply can't do this. The power of corporate money is much greater than user complaints. So I don't think the "risk of idiocy" profile for "Expires:" is nearly as bad as other features we've seen abused in the past.

Now, will some web mail folks who already have draconian mail deletion policies use "Expires:" to start deleting that mail preferentially? Maybe not, because they have better things to do than to write code to search for "Expires:" and would rather just delete after some hard date. If they do, then as a user, I think I'd prefer them to preferentially delete "expired" messages rather than others.

Either way, I think the damage potential here is minimal, and the gain, though also small, is reasonable for folks who want to use it.

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