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Re: [Asrg] My Opinion regarding ietf asrg session (it went badly!)

2003-03-20 17:56:59
William, 

I do fully agree with you and can 100% confirm what you said.

As I stated in the session at the microphone, I was deeply
disappointed about the session. Most of what was presented was
simply pointless. I continuously had the feeling of waiting for 
the commercials to end to get back to the subject of the group
- unfortunately they didn't end.

Also, I was astonished to find presentations mostly disjunctive
from what was done on the mailing list. The presenation were mostly  
a playground for commercial interests, and thus the session 
ironically appeared to be jammed by spam. I wonder what the
mailing list is supposed to be good for if it has almost no influence.

Those statistics were somehow interesting, but not worth
wasting the short time we have. And extrapolating an 
exponential growth from just two measurements is at least
questionable. 

I was waiting more than 2.5 hours for the beef to come. Finally, 
after the official end time at 11.30, the group was moving a little
bit to the technical part. Unfortunately, time was so short that three
talks had to be pressed in less than 30 minutes, and technical items
could not even be touched. The presented taxonomy was as short as
poor, but due to the short time left to present it, this didn't matter 
anymore. 

I came from Germany on my own private expense mainly to
discuss technical solutions. If I had known the agenda before,
I simply could have saved the money I wasted. 

I was quite amazed to see so many journalists participating.
I've never seen so many journalists in a IETF session before. 
This could have been a great opportunity to step into public
awareness as the ones who start to solve problem by engineering.
Unfortunately, this chance was lost. 

As a balance, that session didn't bring us any further. On the 
contrary, this casted a very negative light on us. That's why
many attendees, even some journalists, left early and were highly
disappointed, or even upset. 

After this session I am even more convinced, that any effort 
to effectively stop spam will be blocked in order to keep
a billion dollar market of spam filters open.

Hadmut

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