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Re: [Asrg] My Opinion regarding ietf asrg session (it went badly!)

2003-03-20 18:39:58
Hadmut Danisch wrote:
William,
I do fully agree with you and can 100% confirm what you said.

As I stated in the session at the microphone, I was deeply
disappointed about the session. Most of what was presented was
simply pointless. I continuously had the feeling of waiting for the commercials to end to get back to the subject of the group
- unfortunately they didn't end.

Also, I was astonished to find presentations mostly disjunctive
from what was done on the mailing list. The presenation were mostly a playground for commercial interests, and thus the session ironically appeared to be jammed by spam. I wonder what the
mailing list is supposed to be good for if it has almost no influence.

Those statistics were somehow interesting, but not worth
wasting the short time we have. And extrapolating an exponential growth from just two measurements is at least questionable. I was waiting more than 2.5 hours for the beef to come. Finally, after the official end time at 11.30, the group was moving a little
bit to the technical part. Unfortunately, time was so short that three
talks had to be pressed in less than 30 minutes, and technical items
could not even be touched. The presented taxonomy was as short as
poor, but due to the short time left to present it, this didn't matter anymore.
I came from Germany on my own private expense mainly to
discuss technical solutions. If I had known the agenda before,
I simply could have saved the money I wasted.
I was quite amazed to see so many journalists participating.
I've never seen so many journalists in a IETF session before. This could have been a great opportunity to step into public
awareness as the ones who start to solve problem by engineering.
Unfortunately, this chance was lost. As a balance, that session didn't bring us any further. On the contrary, this casted a very negative light on us. That's why
many attendees, even some journalists, left early and were highly
disappointed, or even upset. After this session I am even more convinced, that any effort to effectively stop spam will be blocked in order to keep
a billion dollar market of spam filters open.

Hadmut

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I agree that the meeting was.... unbalanced. It would have be en more appropriate to have a meeting like this at a symposium or conference attended by management and 'decision makers'.

Like Hadmut, I came here on my own expense from Sweden. I expected some 'product presentations', but I also expected 'independent' research projects to be presented. Unfortunately, the latter did not really figure on the agenda, for whatever reason.

We have three months to Vienna. In those three months, we need to show to ourselves and the world - which is watching, as shown by the presence of journalists in the meeting and earlier media interest - that the IETF/IRTF is an independent organisation which works to create and promote a vendor-neutral, univeral internet. Whatever we end up with (that is, the working group(s) which might come after this research group) is going to be implemented by commercial vendors (and free software projects, hopefully). This is a good thing! It should, however, not be the other way around. As I have always understood it - and this was supported by everyone at the plenary meeting last night - people at the IETF work with the best interest of the internet in mind, not the best interest of their employers. I trust this is the case.

Frank

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