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Re: [Asrg] 5b. Opt-Out, 2nd version

2003-03-27 09:28:25
From: Markus Stumpf <maex-lists-spam-ietf-asrg(_at_)Space(_dot_)Net>

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Why do some spammers curently test 10,000 arbitrary user names at many
domain names to see if they are valid with either Rcpt_To "vrfy" or
trial spam?

What evidence do you have they do?
I can't see this happen. We host about 10000 domains and we do log VRFY
commands. I see about one VRFY a day and and checking the session it's not
from spammers but someone using a telnet connection to speak SMTP and
playing around.

I see almost no use of the SMTP VRFY or EXPN commands.  Instead I and
many others see uses of the SMTP RCPT_To command (sometimes followed by
DATA) to get the same effect as VRFY.  Note that sendmail does not
normally log RCTP_To commands used in place of VRFY.

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I have yet to see a reason why spammers should honor an opt-out list at all.

Spammers vary.  Some don't want to offend prospective customers and
see everyone as a prospect.  Others don't have as as much foresight
and don't care if they offend non-customers.

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Discussing opt-out list strategies is IMHO a waste of time.

I think "arranging deck chairs on the Titanic" fits.  It's not a
complete waste, but so far the benefits seem unlikely to be enduring.


Vernon Schryver    vjs(_at_)rhyolite(_dot_)com
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