On Sunday, Apr 20, 2003, at 14:15 US/Eastern, Hallam-Baker, Phillip 
wrote:
Fifteen years of trying to deploy PKI through the edge model.
[...]
I am not aware of any Internet service the IETF has succeffully
deployed while I have been involved with it. Not one thing.
The Web was successful before the IETF was involved and largely
in spite of IETF dogma.
Need more proof?
        IPSEC - Has failed in its design niche, currently losing
                ground to SSL based VPNs which work better through
                NAT
        DNSSEC - Still a theory
        IPv6 - Still a theory
Hmm. I use IPSec-based VPN every day, and it works fine via my cheap 
NAT box without my having to do any reconfiguration at all. I've never 
seen an SSL-based VPN system.
I've also not seen any use of PKI, bar certificates on web sites for 
SSL.
I think this must be one of those "your reality may vary" deals.
mathew
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