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Re: [Asrg] Spammers looking for sites that don't bounce?

2003-06-25 20:13:19
From: Kee Hinckley <nazgul(_at_)somewhere(_dot_)com>

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He says that if he sets up his mail server to blackhole spam instead 
of bounce it, the spammer shortly shifts to a different IP address 
with slightly different text.  He claims they are seeding the spam 
with known bad addresses, and if they don't get back a failed status 
from the SMTP server, they know that their spam is getting trapped by 
filters.

I don't have any idea what methodology he's using, and without a good 
control group to compare with this could be just a case of seeing 
lots of spam.  However conceptually it makes sense.  It's the inverse 
of checking for bounces on valid addresses, and it would allow a 
spammer to fine-tune their message to get through filters.

Can anyone confirm this?

As stated, that makes limited sense, because it is based on the
assumption that filters reject spam.  In fact many filters silently
discard, or rather, in effect like with a 250-OK SMTP status.  Consider
most procmail recipies.  Yes, the possibility of false positives urge
filters not lie, but that's not always possible (e.g. usually not with
procmail)and many people prefer to not leak information about their
filters to spammers.

There is a related scenario that makes more sense.  Contributors to
NANAE have reported that some spammers use almost certainly bogus
addresses (e.g. 15 random letters) to determine whether an SMTP server
lies about bogus addresses.   If a server answers "no such user," then
throwing a dictionary of 50,000 common user names at it will yield a
bunch of "confirmed" addresses that can be sold or spammed later.  If
not, then such a dictionary attack is a waste of time.


Vernon Schryver    vjs(_at_)rhyolite(_dot_)com

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