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Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re: [Asrg] Bogus reasoning)

2003-07-02 10:18:47
It seems we are getting hung up on two separate problems. Perhaps they should be separated out and dealt with. First is the short-term solutions to spam prevention. The second is the longer term problem.

In the former there are some very real things we can do to cut down the amount of spam. Some of them might be recommendations that users provide filtering. Others might be to include consent like systems.

The longer term solution should be predicted, I believe, on the idea the IPv6 is going to be the network of choice. It might very well also involve more radical changes to the email system (or I would like to think message deliver system - has anyone started to get IM spam - I have?).

Peace,
Chuck Wegrzyn


gep2(_at_)terabites(_dot_)com wrote:

If we are forming a comprehensive plan for killing spam, then we should consider long term solutions as well.

Fine, but let's not do that to the exclusion of solving the problem. That's like discussing what will be done on her first (or third!) drydocking while the Titanic is sinking.

We can structure such plan to gradually move the Internet with short term, medium term and long term solutions, all leading to the long term solutions. I do not think any of the short or medium term proposals or approaches can kill spam entirely - even your approach will allow ASCII spam through.

Indeed, and I propose a hypothesis that *nothing* (practical, anyhow) will prevent all possible spam from being sent. IF you're going to allow people you don't know (yet) to send you E-mails (because they saw your Web site, or saw a letter to the editor you wrote to your local newspaper, or saw the ad you posted on the bulletin board at your local Kroger or something) then there's no way to guarantee that the content of that E-mail won't be something commercial which you didn't want and don't care to see.

Let's deal instead with the real problem... the high-volume repetitive intelligence-insulting stuff that tries to evade filters and muscle its way into our homes and our offices.

To completely kill all spam will require a long term solutions.

I think it would take more than that... I think it would take a MIRACLE, or a change in the basic physical laws of the universe.

Even making all E-mail identifiable doesn't prevent it from being spam... even if we CAN go back and absolutely identify the sender. Disposable accounts, and all that.

However, we do not have to worry about a long term solutions right now, we can concentrate on the overall plan and specific short-medium term solutions.

On that point we agree.

I don't think that there is a single "silver bullet" (wooden stake?) that will instantly stop spam. What's more likely is that we eventually and progressively just put enough sand in their gears that the great majority of them simply give
up and decide to take up another career.

It is very well possible that all of the short and medium term solutions will "put enough sand in their wheels" to stop them. Nevertheless, long term solutions should remain within our ear shot, even if we do not spend as much time on them as on short term stuff.

Fair enough. Meanwhile, let's get some good, practical, implementable solutions on the record which can make a significant improvement (at least) in the immediate term.

Gordon Peterson                  http://personal.terabites.com/
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