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Re: [Asrg] Answering a lot of questions about e-postage in a few sentences

2004-04-23 19:42:19

No activity towards establishing some reliable standards for metering
et al. It'd be difficult for a non-neutral party to just assert
standards in an area like this. It'd be better to outline some
potential standards and then get feedback from those with a reasonable
interest, the usual building of consensus cycle.

Whatever happened to MS's "caller-id"? Is that dead or did it
disappear into another group? Seemed there was a lot of talk about it
and since I've heard nothing. Did they ever manage to get a completed
example installed for their own domains?

        -b

On April 23, 2004 at 18:15 research(_at_)solidmatrix(_dot_)com (Yakov 
Shafranovich) wrote:
Barry Shein wrote:

Yes you can equate e-postage to just rate-limiting etc. Why that
seemingly simple thought just hasn't saved the day would seem to beg
its own analysis.

The problem is that spam has a huge social and economic component.

I have noticed that money and the prospect of making some tends to
cause changes in behavior. I'm trying to figure out how to make it
profitable for those who can make a difference to not spam or tolerate
spammers. Some mechanism, metering etc, might facilitate that new
order.

The only way we're going to fight spam is not with a little technical
frill because you'd still have the whole problem of policy, of getting
ISPs et al to adopt it. 

That's why I have little to zero faith in purely technical approaches
that lack social/economic and even legal perception.


Barry,

You are correct! Only a combination of policy with technology or policy 
by itself can help. However, I think that there are other possibilities 
to achieve the same effect without end-to-end e-postage.

The basic thought behind e-postage is that resources that are being used 
should be charged for. Today we already have one such system which is 
working sucessfully every day - the Internet. ISPs charge each other for 
uplink and downlink bandwidth and resources used. Now, lets say 
hypothetically speaking that all ISPs would charge their customers extra 
for lets say more than 1000 emails/day. Would it achieve the same effect 
as e-postage? Why isn't this model working today?

Yakov
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Yakov Shafranovich / asrg <at> shaftek.org
SolidMatrix Technologies, Inc. / research <at> solidmatrix.com
"Some lies are easier to believe than the truth" (Dune)
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