Tut tut, didn't send an immediate response to you on a weekend.
Perhaps he does something else on his weekends? Its not that easy using
a RIM pager while you waterski you know.
-----Original Message-----
From: asrg-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
[mailto:asrg-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On
Behalf Of william(at)elan.net
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:25 AM
To: Bill Cole
Cc: asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: [Asrg] Blacklisted from posting to asrg
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Bill Cole wrote:
At 5:58 AM -0700 6/6/05, vwl(_at_)elan(_dot_)net wrote:
Apparently the ASRG chair has decided to blacklist me from
posting on
my
primary address as constructive technical critique of his
own proposal
and its security weaknesses is not something he can deal
with and is good
enough reason to blacklist one of the largest contributors
to ASRG who has
been here from the beginning (and of course he also failed
to mention to me
or on the list that I was blacklisted from posting to the list).
On what basis do you believe this?
There was another post made on Saturday that did not reach
the list (der Mouse can verify as it was addressed to him
with cc to the list)
I subsequently let John Levine know that there might be a
problem with mail list system when the post did not show up
in any of my accounts, there was no response received. At
some point on Sunday I made a test post to see if it would
reach the list, it did not.
On Monday I used another account to see if mail list server
is working
(keep in mind I'm also signed up with yet another account but
its separate system and I wanted to test is in particular for
the elan mail
server to verify it was issue with server or not). That test
post reached
the list immediately. Based on that I had to conclude that
the issue is
specific to posting from william(_at_)elan(_dot_)net account that was
banned from
posting, my view is that there was no inappropriate conduct
that would
have let to it.
In about 5 minutes after posting account was probably
unblocked and my test post reached the list. The other post
still did not.
I see a post from you about BATV on the list yesterday with these
headers:
Yesterday is Sunday. The post you cited did reach the list,
the other one did not. I checked archives as well.
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:39:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: "william(at)elan.net" <william(_at_)elan(_dot_)net>
To: John Levine <asrg(_at_)johnlevine(_dot_)com>
Subject: Re: [Asrg] Re: BATV and SES - was forged bounces
In-Reply-To:
<20050604173551(_dot_)20008(_dot_)qmail(_at_)xuxa(_dot_)iecc(_dot_)com>
Message-ID:
<Pine(_dot_)LNX(_dot_)4(_dot_)62(_dot_)0506041050180(_dot_)17965(_at_)sokol(_dot_)elan(_dot_)net>
References:
<20050604173551(_dot_)20008(_dot_)qmail(_at_)xuxa(_dot_)iecc(_dot_)com>
I also see 2 tests, one from william(_at_)elan(_dot_)net:
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:58:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: "william(at)elan.net" <william(_at_)elan(_dot_)net>
To: asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Message-ID:
<Pine(_dot_)LNX(_dot_)4(_dot_)62(_dot_)0506051757360(_dot_)2487(_at_)sokol(_dot_)elan(_dot_)net>
and one from vwl(_at_)elan(_dot_)net, apparently with no From header
until it was
added
by the list server:
That is not true, actually vwl(_at_)elan(_dot_)net is separate account
and it sends emails with "From: vwl(_at_)elan(_dot_)net" and no "pretty
name", that is how it is
setup. There are people who would remember that
william(_at_)elan(_dot_)net was for
long time setup the same way (in fact its default way it
works on my mail system, unless name is added as part of MUA
preference).
I'll not comment on this issue any more until I get some more
info from
ASRG or IRTF Chairs, but I'd like to note that in his
response John Levine
did not state that my complain that messages from me were
being blocked
is not true. He stated that making such complaints is not
appropriate,
but I seem to recall it happening number of times on other ietf lists.
According to guidelines at thttp://www.ietf.org/maillist.html
Inappropriate postings to discussion lists include:
1 Unsolicited bulk e-mail
2 Discussion of subjects unrelated to IETF policy,
meetings, activities,
or technical concerns
3 Unprofessional commentary, regardless of the general subject
Mail list administration issues would not fall under 1 or 2 (this is
related to ietf/irtf activities), it might fall under 3
depending on how the complaint is written, but I do not see
directly where it says that discussions of list
administration problems are not appropriate. If it is not I
apologize if I made wrong judgment about it based on
apparently bad conduct of people on other ietf lists.
In any case if John wants to explain what happened, he can go
ahead and do it privately to me and I'll withdraw the
complaint, but I'd remind him to keep in mind listed above
rule #3 for private as well as public communication.
P.S. For Gadi Evron - I was not evading. I really did post
from different account that was signed up to the list, using
multiple accounts on the same list is not unusual for me and
folks at ASRG know that.
--
William Leibzon
Elan Networks
william(_at_)elan(_dot_)net
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