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Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Discussing what someone said about SSP - productive?

2007-12-07 11:55:18
Steve Atkins wrote:

On Dec 7, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Michael Thomas wrote:

Steve Atkins wrote:

I guess that's a yes.

If you believe that any random MTA has an equal right to emit mail claiming to
be from my domain, then I think there's little left to discuss.
If you don't want people to forward your mail, then you're not obliged
to send mail to them.
If, on the other hand, you want to participate in a store-and-forward
protocol then you don't get to say that other hosts are not allowed to
emit mail claiming to be from your domain.

Why are you seizing on the narrow word emit,

"Emit" is a pretty well defined word.

when it was pretty
clear that by emit he meant "invented out of whole cloth"?

No, it wasn't. It did appear that he hadn't considered the implications
of his statement, but that's why we share our thoughts with our peers,
so that they can consider them from a different perspective and share
with us their interpretations and concerns about our writing, the meaning
behind it and the implications on the rest of the universe. Right?

For
somebody who copping to being above the fray, that's a rather
uncharitable reading. Or perhaps even a reducto ad hominem!

I'll ask you the same as Dave:

>>>> I assume you know what the meaning of "disenfranchise" is as you've
>>>> chosen to use it twice now. A legitimate user of my domain name is
>>>> exactly who I say is legitimate. There is no vote to be had on that
>>>> issue, and as such no vote to be taken away. Do you seriously dispute
>>>> that?

Unlike Dave's response, you have a chance to answer yes or no.
If there's some "excluded middle", please name it.

You'd need to be more specific. As you state it, my answer is that you're
clearly and obviously wrong.

If you were to be more specific in your wording (and the specificity went
in the direction I'd expect) there's a chance I'd agree with you, but at the
moment what you're saying is so broad and vague that it's clearly wrong.

  It sure isn't obvious to me, and I'm afraid that I'm at the end
  of the road here as I can't figure out what set of axioms that either
  you or Dave are operating from for that not be true. From the looks
  of it, that set of axioms leads to "SSP == bad", so I again wonder
  why you're wasting your time, unless it is to prevent SSP from being
  published.

                Mike
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