Re: [ietf-smtp] Curious, with this now being associated to emailcore, should list name change?
2020-07-22 07:28:49
On 22/07/2020 07:04, Keith Moore wrote:
On 7/22/20 1:49 AM, John C Klensin wrote:
I love the format's extensibility but I suspect there's a
point of diminishing returns. The message header has
become a garbage dumping ground, and it might need some
cleaning up.
Agreed. But also agree with Dave that it is difficult to
imagine how cleaning up such a dump (even if there were
consensus on that characterization) could be within scope for
emailcore. It probably is in scope for this list [1] but I
hope we
don't need to separate emailcore to a separate list in order to
get anything done there. ...Another decision I hope we can
defer until after the BOF.
I will certainly agree that there is no immediately obvious fix to the
header garbage dump problem.
As for the list, if emailcore goes on for more than a few weeks, I
think it could be problematic to devote the ietf-smtp list exclusively
to that narrow set of topics. ietf-smtp has served since the early
1990s as a general discussion on SMTP-related topics with even that
scope interpreted somewhat widely. There's a lot of inertia around
treating the list that way, and it seems like conflicts over the scope
of the discussion are inevitable if the same list tries to serve both
purposes.
I am open to suggestions whether or not EMAILCORE should have its own
mailing list. But I think until the BOF is over, we can use this
(ietf-smtp(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org) mailing list, as most of the people who care are
already subscribed to it.
More subtly, some solutions are not within the scope of emailcore even
if the topic or problem is.
So my recommendation is to use a separate list for emailcore.
For what it's worth, when I was musing about the harm done by email
header pollution, I didn't expect that the solution was likely to fit
within emailcore's scope.
Keith
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