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RE: The utilitiy of IP is at stake here

2003-05-29 15:48:29
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
On donderdag, mei 29, 2003, at 21:34 Europe/Amsterdam, Tony 
Hain wrote:

The fundamental legal issue we need to deal with is the ability to 
absolutely identify the originator of the mail. Is that 
precluded by 
any existing privacy laws? If not, identity would provide 
the means to
pursue financial recourse for wasted time and resources. If 
so, we have
a non-technical issue that may prevent any solution.

Too bad the bad ideas get much more air time than the good ones. 
Yesterday some really good points were brought up, today we're mostly 
rehashing the bad stuff.

About the law: current laws are unable to keep spam in check. 

I was not asking about spam law. I was trying to be specific about any
privacy laws that would prevent identification of the originator of a
message. As long as there is a legal way to undeniably trace the message
origin, there is a chance we can build a technical approach to bulk
message handling system that will end random spam. 

...
The real question is whether the current protocols 
exhibit flaws that make the spam problem worse than it would 
be without 
those flaws; and whether improved protocols can be implemented and 
deployed at reasonable levels of effectiveness and efficiency.

I would argue yes, in that it is impossible to nail down the originator
with the current system. 


It seems the answer to this was "no" five or six years ago. 
In the mean 
time, many things have changed. We now have more advanced techniques 
and more processing power at our disposal. Also, spamming in general 
has become much worse and many more children are online now, who are 
subjected to spam that isn't always "child friendly" to say 
the least. 
Maybe the answer is still "no" but the time is right to at least 
revisit the question.


I agree.

Tony