Re: Principles of Spam-abatement
2004-03-12 03:36:47
On Mar 10, 2004, at 5:10 AM, Dean Anderson wrote:
Joe Abley, you should be aware that your company is using a revenge
list
for spam blocking. You might want to consider using a different email
address. But it makes an interesting end to this discussion, I think.
Without necessarily agreeing with everything else in Dean's message,
this does indeed point to the most interesting question I see here:
Whose job is it to enforce penalties for anti-social behavior?
Historically, one can argue that the beginning of civilization can be
found in legal codes and mechanisms that seek to punish antisocial
behavior in a fair and consistent manner. Through painful experience,
virtually every society in the world has concluded that if you want to
punish people for bad behavior, you need clear laws and attention to
due process and the rights of the accused. When modern governments
flagrantly flaunt these rules, they have a tendency to become pariah
states over time. (Note that I'm not saying all the processes are fair
or *right*, but even in Iran you have to be convicted by an Islamic
court before they punish you; a significant part of the total breakdown
of Afghanistan was that even *that* level of due process disappeared,
so that virtually any member of the Taliban could mete out "instant
justice" at will. It's not surprising that Osama found a home in
Afghanistan, rather than Iran; Al Qaeda is the ultimate example of
vigilante justice.)
I see only two things that are different about spam:
1. The international nature of the antisocial act, combined with the
general lack of law and precedent, makes it easy to be skeptical about
timely action.
2. In the US, at least, we have an unsual number of people, especially
on the Internet, whose ideology or beliefs include a profound
skepticism about the ability of governments to do *anything*.
These make the problem harder, but they really don't invalidate the
hard-won experience of the last few thousand years of human experience.
When each ISP makes its own rules and metes out its own
vigilante-style punishment, that's not civilization, it's anarchy. And
I find it considerably scarier than the underlying offense of spam
itself. -- Nathaniel
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