Re: individual submission Last Call -- default yes/no.

Dave,

You make an assumption here that there is some relationship between the 
usefulness of a standard done from a working group and those individual 
submissions.  Is that assumption borne out in truth?
Just asking.  I haven't checked too much.

Eliot

Dave Crocker wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:46:41 +0100, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
>
> >  The usual case for an individual submission is, I think:
> >
> >  - there are a number of people who see a need for it
> >  - there are a (usually far lower) number of people who are willing to work
> >  on it
> ....
>
> >  - nobody's significantly opposed to getting the work done
>
> Harald,
>
>
> Given that we are talking about an individual submission, two points from your 
> list are curious:
>
> 1.  The last point is at least confusing, since the submission comes *after* 
> the work has been done; otherwise it would be a working group effort; so I do 
> not know what additional work you are envisioning.
>
> 2.  Since there is no track record for the work -- given that it has not been 
> done in an IETF working group -- then what is the basis for assessing its 
> community support, abssent Last Call comments?
>
> If one has no concern for the IETF's producing useless and unsupported 
> specifications, then it does not much matter whether marginal specifications 
> are passed.  However the IESG's diligence at seeking perfection in working 
> group output submitted for approval suggests that, indeed, there is concern 
> both for efficacy and safety.
>
> How are either of these assessed for an individual submission, if not by 
> requiring a Last Call to elicit substantial and serious commentary of support?
>
>
> d/
>
> ps.  The IESG used to be very forceful in requiring explicit statements 
> (demonstrations) of community support; . I suspect we have moved, instead, 
> towards delegating the assessment almost entirely to our representatives and 
> their subjective preferences for work that is submitted.
>
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