Re: individual submission Last Call -- default yes/no.

--On 7. januar 2005 13:43 -0800 Dave Crocker <dhc(_at_)dcrocker(_dot_)net> 
wrote:

> Given that we are talking about an individual submission, two points from
> your list are curious:
>
> 1.  The last point is at least confusing, since the submission comes
> *after* the work has been done; otherwise it would be a working group
> effort; so I do not know what additional work you are envisioning.
Generally, someone who sees a problem and considers writing a draft to 
address it will at least briefly wonder whether a working group should be 
chartered for it or not. I was not talking about only the stuff that 
happens around Last Call time.
> 2.  Since there is no track record for the work -- given that it has not
> been done in an IETF working group -- then what is the basis for
> assessing its community support, absent Last Call comments?
....
> How are either of these assessed for an individual submission, if not by
> requiring a Last Call to elicit substantial and serious commentary of
> support?
Following the IETF's tradition of personal responsibility, the AD is 
responsible for having ascertained that there is reasonable reason to 
believe that there are good reasons to think that the document should be 
published before issuing the Last Call.
How that is done varies.

(for instance, in the case of the updated WHOIS specification, there were 
about five people who were groaning about the stupidity of having an IETF 
standards-track specification that people read as if it said that WHOIS 
records have to include a phone number - then Leslie said "OK, I'll draft 
it", and all of the people on the chain of approval were aware of the 
issues that the draft was trying to address, and thought that it was 
obviously a good idea to address them. The relative lack of Last Call 
comments was then interpreted as "the community seems to have found no 
fault with our judgment that this makes sense to do". And I think that was 
the right outcome for that particular case.)
                           Harald




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