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RE: individual submission Last Call -- default yes/no.

2005-01-12 08:16:59
At 14:37 12/01/2005, Misha Wolf wrote:
A first step could be to compare the two standards bodies'
requirements for language tagging, to establish whether they are
compatible.  Further steps could follow, depending on the outcome.
Note that while HTTP, for example, is an IETF standard, the Web
relies on it.  Currently, the same language tagging standard is used
by HTTP, HTML's "meta" element, HTML's "lang" attribute and XML's
"xml:lang" attribute.

Sorry to come back on the particulars of the langtags debate. I do this only to illustrate the real source of the problem (described in RFC 2418 part 2.3.

Misha documents very well the source of the problem: the HTML lang attribute is acceptable for the Web (IMHO not for Semantic Web) and the xml:lang attribute is not scalable. One first reason (lack of scripting) has been identified. But this is not the only one. Another problem is obviously the declaration "MUST" which cannot scale and creates a problem.

If I am correct the W3C documentation concerning xmls:lang is http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xml-20040204/ paragraph 2.12 language definition. This document says: "A special <http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xml-20040204/#dt-attr>attribute named xml:lang MAY be inserted in documents to specify the language used in the contents and attribute values of any element in an XML document. In valid documents, this attribute, like any other, MUST be <http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xml-20040204/#dt-attdecl>declared if it is used. The values of the attribute are language identifiers as defined by <http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xml-20040204/#RFC1766>[IETF RFC 3066], Tags for the Identification of Languages, or its successor; in addition, the empty string MAY be specified."

This definition does not permit end to end interinteligibility (hence interoperability for web services, content filtering, etc.) except in closed customer groups sharing the same language dictionary, grammar, semantic, etc. for an ISO 639 language. If the intent is a universal unique multilanguage, by one single provider, this works. Otherwise it does not. This is why in addition to adding the scripting one needs at list a type of usage/function and an authoritative source information.

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