Re: Should the IESG rule or not? and all that...

Keith Moore wrote:

> > Keith,
> >
> > The IESG can still exercise their best engineering judgment as
> > individuals, as the rest of us do.
> >
> > The IESG role itself need not incorporate a privileged position from
> > which to wield that judgement. There's plenty left to do.
> Joe,
>
> The IESG has several duties that are defined in RFC 2026 and other
> documents.  These duties include using engineering judgment to determine
> whether documents meet criteria for standards track, or whether to bless
> certain kinds of protocol extensions.   All this notion of "privilege"
> misses the point - which is that we cannot ensure document or protocol
> quality without having some set of people decide whether or not a
> proposal is good enough.
Re-reviewing 2026, in all places the IESG is noted as being largely
reactive to the community and guiding process.

Only sec 6.1.2 notes the application of technical judgement, but only
regarding maturity of the document and the standards level being sought
- specifically as "technical quality and clarity". It specifically notes
that (emphasis mine) "_independent_ technical review" can be solicited
if there are issues of its impact on the Internet architecture.

Right now, the IESG is conducting its own, non-independent technical
review - therein lies the issue, IMO.

> If IESG people were to personally benefit from their exercise of this
> "privilege" you'd have a valid gripe.
Personal gain is not the only motive; power can be its own motive. The
gripes are validated by cases of abuse of privilege. Others have raised
a few such cases, e.g., where individuals didn't recuse themselves from
process when they had personal interest in the outcome of a doc.

> But I don't recall ever seeing
> this happen.  If it does happen, I don't think it happens very often.
Neither are reasons not to prohibit it or address it when it occurs.

Joe

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