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RE: [dean(_at_)av8(_dot_)com: Mismanagement of the DNSOP list]

2005-09-25 19:33:42

From: bill(_at_)strahm(_dot_)net [mailto:bill(_at_)strahm(_dot_)net] 

----- Forwarded message from Dean Anderson <dean(_at_)av8(_dot_)com> -----

FYI: I am being threatened for posting operationally relevant 
criticism of mis-operation of the F DNS Root server on the DNSOP 
list.

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:55:20 -0700
From: David Kessens <david(_dot_)kessens(_at_)nokia(_dot_)com>
To: Dean Anderson <dean(_at_)av8(_dot_)com>
Cc: David Meyer <dmm(_at_)1-4-5(_dot_)net>, Rob Austein 
<sra(_at_)hactrn(_dot_)net>,
     Bert Wijnen <bwijnen(_at_)lucent(_dot_)com>
Subject: [david(_dot_)kessens(_at_)nokia(_dot_)com: Re: [dnsop] An attack 
that DNSSEC 
would
    have defended against...]


Dean,

To avoid any misunderstandings: My message is an official 
warning to 
you that I will propose to the IESG to remove your posting 
privileges 
if I see one more abusive mail from you.

Thanks,

David Kessens
---

Since I have been informed that this actually is the forum for this 
discussion according to RFC 3683 I will ask for a 
clarification from 
David on this whole thing.

David, the way it reads to me is you warned Dean you would 
go to the 
IESG if he continued what you felt were abusive posts.  
Dean in turn 
informed the IESG of your warning because he felt it was 
unwarranted 
and being used by you as a tool to silence someone who had 
a differing 
technical opinion.
You
then used his complaint to the IESG as an instance of 
another abusive 
post and requested to have his privileges removed.  Is that 
basically correct?
If so are you telling me that I have to be afraid of ever voicing a 
complaint or problem to the IESG because an AD can use that as a 
reason for retribution?  This to me transcends Dean and 
whether or not 
his posts are abusive - I'd like to know (maybe someone 
else has the 
answer) if I can be penalized for lodging a complaint with the IESG.

Thanks,

Nick


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The way I see it - the answer is, under normal circumstances 
NO.  However, in the history of the IETF there have been 
several cases where people go out of their way to send 
unwarranted complaints to various ADs/IESG/IAB with 
unwarranted claims.

If you were to do this more than a few times...  Well, lets 
just say crying wolf once isn't a foul - but after a couple 
more times the town won't come out to see if there is a wolf 
in the pasture.

Does that mean that if an AD's proposal to remove someone's posting
privileges fails to garner the required support that it was the AD who cried
wolf?  And if not how come?

nick


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