RE: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria

I very much doubt that this would be an issue in practice. 

> From an anti-censorship point of view I would much rather that the IETF
visit countries where the Internet is controlled.

I doubt for a moment that the authorities in any country would be so
obliging as to allow several thousand networking experts to map out
their security controls.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org 
> [mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On 
> Behalf Of "DENG, HUI -HCHBJ"
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:23 PM
> To: Ole Jacobsen; Melinda Shore
> Cc: jianping(_at_)cernet(_dot_)edu(_dot_)cn; Avri Doria; 
> ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org; JORDI 
> PALET MARTINEZ; wuhq(_at_)catt(_dot_)ac(_dot_)cn
> Subject: RE: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria
>
> > > - MUST NOT be held in a country whose visa requirements are so 
> > > stringent as to make it impossible or even extremely 
> difficult for 
> > > some participant to attend.
> > >
> > > - MUST NOT be held in a country with restrictions on freedom of 
> > > expression, especially if these extend to the blocking of 
> web sites 
> > > or any other censuring of personal communications.
> > >
> > > - MUST NOT be held in a country were local participants would be 
> > > under pressure to support national technical policies on 
> threat of 
> > > imprisonment or other punitive actions, for their opinions.
> > >
> > > - MUST NOT be held in a country were local participants 
> would need 
> > > government approval to attend.
> > The "restrictions on freedom of expression" is a little more 
> tricky and 
> > one could argue that the IETF should not be in the business 
> of trying 
> > to change policy at that level. China comes to mind as a 
> place we could 
> > not go by this rule, but a lot of people seem to belive that 
> > "constructive engagement" is more successful than boycott.
> Please allow me speak something personally, 
>
> I come from Beijing China,  continuously attended IETF 
> meeting six times. (freshman), hosted Chinese participants 
> parties each time. There are more than 40 chinese attendees 
> made a getting together in last IETF Paris Meeting right 
> after Technical Plenary on thursday.
>
> This February, we hosted a workshop which is related to IETF 
> MIP6,MIP4, NEMO working group.
> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mip6/current/msg02353.html
> In Feb. 2006, we are currently planing to continue to host 
> this workshop which is related to IETF more working groups. 
> If you are interested in help to bridge between IETF and China.
> Please don't hesitate to contact with us.
>
> Regarding to " Blocked  sites, redirected dns, registration 
> and arrest of bloggers etc"
> I already have to explain too many times with people who come 
> from IETF to China.
> What I asked is just one question " Do you have any problem 
> to visit any website or using VPN in China".
> The answer what I heard is just "No",  What I recommend is 
> please come to China and see what she really is other than 
> judgement based on other'other'other peoples talking.
>
> I understand some people who come from freedom country would 
> like to visit both "Anti-China website and terrorist", then 
> there will be not reachable, in that case what I can suggest 
> is " Please be patient just only 1 week (IETF meeting time), 
> after you return back to your freedom country, please 
> continue to do Anti-China acitivity as you like.
>
> This weekend, Formula 1 will be held in Shanghai, China 
> http://www.formula1.com/
>
> Next next week, 3GPP2 meeting will be held in Beijing, China.
> Others like 3GPP, and ITU, OMA, IEEE intermediate meeting 
> were already held in China.
>
> 2008 Olmpic Game, Beijing, China
> http://en.beijing-2008.org/33/28/homepage211612833.shtml
>
> 2010 World Expo, Shanghai, China
> http://www.expo2010china.com/expo/english/eu/index.html
>
> Then my question goes to "why IETF could not come to China?"
>
> If IETF think that China is too poor and technology is pretty 
> lag behind, I agree and accept, but we chinese really 
> expected that more help could come from IETF to change ours life.
>
> Shall we make a more "constructive engagement"
>
> Thanks
>
> -Hui
>
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