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RE: Meetings in other regions

2006-07-14 12:03:22
 
I definitively support the view that IETF should reach larger audiences of 
participants and therefore target regions in a balanced manner not based on the 
% of participants. Many do not participate because their travel challenges are 
almost never addressed by IETF. These statistics are skewed by the current bias 
and that is in fact the cusp of the issue.

Organizing events in such regions turned out in my experience to bring even 
more deeply involved and expert participants that in IETF traditional areas of 
focus. 

Many regions offer cheaper facilities with excellent (dare I say better) 
services and business infrastructure. Travel pain should be equitably 
distributed. Note that while further away for some of us, travel cost for the 
participants can often turn out significantly lower in locations not typically 
targeted by IETF. I can definitively provide some pointers based on lessons 
from organizing or participating to standard events for other organizations.

We should strive at balanced amount of meetings in all the regions without 
preferences. This is what being a global organization is about...

Stephane

PS Jordi, in your list, I think you should also include Asia (beyond 
Japan/South Korea).

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Jaeggli [mailto:joelja(_at_)uoregon(_dot_)edu] 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:54 AM
To: jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: Meetings in other regions

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
There are two issues:

1) Cost. IETF has limited resources, so unless each of us want to pay 
more and more for the registration fees or we are able to compensate 
the cost with more sponsors (which is every day more difficult), we 
need to look for cheaper locations.

2) Is un fair that the main driver is only looking at where more 
people comes from (this is fortunately changing anyway, and thus will 
less and less easy to match). Even worst if that's a country with 
doesn't allow everyone to come in.

So where is this mythical low cost easy to travel to country within easy reach 
of an untapped resource of potential ietf participants?

Once we've located it, it should be easy for the IAD to book us a hotel on the 
dates we've fixed in stone 2 years in advance...

Regards,
Jordi




De: Scott W Brim <swb(_at_)employees(_dot_)org>
Organización: Cisco Systems, Inc.
Responder a: <ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Fecha: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:14:34 -0400
Para: Fred Baker <fred(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com>
CC: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>, <dassa(_at_)dhs(_dot_)org>
Asunto: Re: Meetings in other regions

On 07/14/2006 10:01 AM, Fred Baker allegedly wrote:
Once upon a time,
the guideline I followed was that about 1/6 of the IETF was from 
Europe, a smattering was from elsewhere, and the lion's share was 
from the US, so I scheduled a meeting every other year in Europe, 
the odd one in random places, and the lion's share in the US. Those 
statistics are essentially meaningless now.
Why are they meaningless?  The IETF should overwhelmingly meet where 
the participants are, wherever that might be.  I still like your 
algorithm.

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