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RE: Now there seems to be lack of communicaiton here...

2006-08-30 21:47:27
The reset should not be permitted.

The problem here is that the IAB and IESG could use this precedent to avoid 
appointment of certain individuals to the NOMCOM.

The situation might appear to be that a member of the crazy gang got choosen 
and someone wants to block them.   


Given the tenuous nature of the NOMCON procedure itself and the abysmal level 
of accounability it achieves it is not acceptable to further dilute it.

My personal view is that the NOMCON process itself is a charade that was 
intended to concentrate power in the hands of the establishment. The only 
reason why it can be claimed to work is that the process cannot be controlled 
by the administrators. Once someone can ask for a 'redo' that rationale is lost 
entirely.


The original list should be used. If any member is ineligible and is elected 
then this should be treated as if they were elected and then immediately 
disqualified.

Furthermore it is really unacceptable to present this as a fait acompli with a 
new selection date already set.



-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Shockey [mailto:richard(_at_)shockey(_dot_)us] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:31 PM
To: 'IETF-Discussion'
Subject: Now there seems to be lack of communicaiton here...




This seems to be on the IETF NOMCOM web page but I do not see 
it in the ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org archives.

I suggest that given the unique importance of this NOMCOM 
cycle that a fuller explanation is in order.

First .. the instant there was a problem the IETF community 
should have been notified in full on this list.

Second ...a complete explanation of why this go screwed up 
should have been posted to the community.

Third .. the IETF community AS A WHOLE should have been 
consulted as to possible remedies to this "problem" etc. 
Consultations to the IESG and IAB are not sufficient on 
matters of such gravity.


*********************
From: Andrew Lange <andrew(_dot_)lange(_at_)alcatel(_dot_)com>
To: IETF Announcement
Date: August 30, 2006
Subject: NomCom 2006/07: Selection Process Reset

A few members of the community have expressed concern over 
two issues with the selection process for this year's NomCom.

First: The list of volunteers was published later than 
recommended by RFC 3777.  This happened because, after the 
nominations period closed, there was some dispute on the 
eligibility of a number of NomCom volunteers. 
They were not on the secretariat's list, but they had 
attended the requisite number of IETF's.  I chose to provide 
the secretariat some time to look into their eligibility 
because I was concerned about (in no particular order):

1) Disenfranchisement.  I wanted to be sure that every voice 
that was willing to be heard, was heard.  I didn't want an 
administrative snafu to prevent someone who wanted to from serving.

2) Representation.  In order to ensure that the NomCom is 
representative of the community we need the largest possible 
body of eligible individuals.

I believe that these are fundamental to the entire process of 
the IETF and NomCom.

This resulted in the list being sent to the secretariat later 
than I would have liked, and the message then got hung up in 
the secretariat's queue.

The selection is still deterministic, because the list 
ordering algorithm used (alpha by first name) is 
deterministic.  However, since the list was published late, 
the appearance is not ideal.

Second:  A sitting member of the IAB's name appeared on the 
candidate list.  According to 3777, section 15, sitting IAB, 
IESG and ISOC members are not eligible to serve on the 
Nomcom.  This was an oversight on my part.  Ordering in the 
list does matter for the selection process.
Although this person was not selected to serve, and the harm 
done is minimal, it is important that the IETF follow our own 
processes as closely as possible.

For these reasons, and after consultation with members of the 
IAB, IESG and ISOC, I have decided that to remove any doubt 
from the proceedings we must re-run the selection algorithm 
with new seed information.

This is unfair to the people who volunteered for NomCom and 
are the backbone of the process.  These people rightfully 
believed that they were or were not selected, and everyone 
selected was preparing to serve.  To the volunteers:  Thank 
you for volunteering, for your patience and understanding.  I 
apologize for any inconvenience this reset may cause.

In order to close this issue quickly, the same stocks and 
procedure will be used as last time, but the trading date 
will be drawn from the September 1, 2006 Wall Street Journal 
which reports the the sales figures from the previous trading 
day - August 31, 2006.  The list we will use is the same as 
before, but with the IAB member's name removed.  The list 
will be sent in a separate mail.

Thank you.

Andrew



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