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Complaints and complainers (Re: [Nea] WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea))

2006-10-11 01:07:18
Just FTR (and changing the subject, since this is not about NEA at all):

I agree with the principle that the sergeants-at-arms are obliged to make up their own minds about whether or not a posting is inappropriate, and that they are responsible for their own decisions.

Complaints are a means of calling their attention to a situation, nothing more. An IETF participant should not have to suffer rants and threats from a suspended person in his private email inbox just because he commented to a sergeant-at-arms that he found the person's postings offensive.

I think the sergeants-at-arms have made the right call.

                   Harald, who gets the rants anyway

Theodore Tso wrote:
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 07:45:48PM -0500, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
Hi Eric,

I don't really agree with that. I've first the obligation to keep the
privacy about any email received in private. Of course, I can always suggest
that the people which complained in private speak up in the list, but I
don't think that noise will help anyone.

If there is a need to review my decision, the body in charge of that
"appeal" will have the information about those complains, of course.

Note that while we may use complaints from the community about whether
or not postings are inappropriate, in the end it is up to the
Sergeant-at-Arms about whether or not postings are appropriate and
form a pattern of abuse.  And the postings from the accused are
publically available on mailing list archives, and can be judged on
their own (dis-)merits.  For that reason, I don't believe that there
is any need to reveal private communications about complaints, since
the in the end, the final determination is and can be made by the
postings in isolation.

That being said, we do periodically check in with the IETF Chair, who
appointed us and has the power to dismiss us, whether or not in his
opinion, we are using the appropriate trigger levels for enforcing
violations of RFC 3005.

Regards,

                                        - Ted

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