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Re: Domain Centric Administration, RE: draft-ietf-v6ops-natpt-to-historic-00.txt

2007-07-02 21:12:37

Mark,

On Jul 2, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
    People arn't bashing NAT.

Oh, please.  Sure they are.

        They are saying that NAT is not
    a appropriate for solution in a IPv6 world. It adds a lot
    more complexity than just a stateful firewall.

A stateful firewall doesn't also provides provider independence and  
an ability to have a form of multi-homing without playing BGP games  
or even telling your ISPs.

        What real benifits are there in NAT compared with carrying
        multiple PA prefixes?  Active connections are still going
        to break when links go down.  ICMPv6 will provide feedback
        when the external link is gone.

I am also a bit confused how a "dual stack" transition strategy to  
IPv6 is going to work when the IPv4 address free pool is exhausted in  
a few years without some form of NAT/ALG, but maybe that's just me.

        How many legacy boxes are going to need global connectivity
        that can't be covered by a ALG, bump in the stack or something
        else.  I suspect most of the legacy boxes will only need
        to talk locally and RFC 1918 addresses will suffice in most
        cases.

        If you offer a service to others you run "dual stack" either
        natively or with a ALG (e.g. RIPE's whois over IPv6 did
        this).  When the crunch comes you start to see IPv6 only
        services.

        The problem is eveyone is waiting until the crunch and not
        running "dual stack" now.  Microsoft is doing the right
        thing with Vista by turing on IPv6 on by default.  Each
        Vista box is a client waiting for you to turn on your dual
        stack service.

        This is the time when everyone should be running dual stack.

Rgds,
-drc


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