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Re: Next step on web phishing draft(draft-hartman-webauth-phishing-05.txt)

2007-09-12 05:47:14

There has been a discussion recently on LTRU as to whether a Terms and
Definitions section should be introduced within RFCs - much like those
within ISO Standards.


And my response to this suggestion is the same as it was for the "IANA
considerations" or "Internationalization considerations" section 
suggestions:
By all means have a "terms and definitions" section or whatever in the 
document
if there's a need for one, but don't make having one mandatory in all
documents.

We already have more than enough useless (from a technical content
perspective) boilerplate in our documents.
+1

Actually I don't have so much of a problem with having such sections in
drafts at review time, but I hate to see them clutter up published
RFCs.

My position is the exact opposite. Full and complete review of drafts it of
paramount importance and anything thqt interferes with that is unacceptable.
And as I have pointed out, we have "running code" demonstrating that these
things are at best distracting and at worst actively interfere with proper
review.

What's appropriate to appear in the final RFC is up to the RFC Editor. That's
what the word "editor" implies. If the RFC Editor deems it appropriate to
remove null sections that's fine, if they feel they should be retained that's
fine too. Someone reading an RFC to learn how to implement something has a
definite goal in mind and isn't going to be (or at least shouldn't be)
distracted by boilerplate in the same way a reviewer looking for issues - a far
more nebulous proposition - can be.

There are a lot of times when these sections aren't applicable,
and having them in the final document just interferes with readability.

It depends on what sort of reading you're doing.

I also think that a Terms and Definitions section might encourage
document authors to make up new terms when they're not necessary, which
would also interfere with readability.  (geeks love to create new language.)

Very good point. Having lots of slightly varying definitions of various terms
could be hugely harmful.

RFC 2119 is a case in point. While I have some small issues with how RFC 2119
defines its terms, I've come to realize that having consistent meanings for
these terms is far more important.

                                Ned

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