Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero, Sat 0

Hi Ole,

That's what I understood from the web site, and that's why I not complained
with the difficulties on Sunday, but I was departing on Friday, which is a
week-day, unless I've got it wrong :-)

What I'm saying was the response from the train ticketing people in Liege if
I recall correctly. Also they give me the incorrect information in the
office about the faster way to reach the airport ... Then I was lucky to ask
again in the tracks, while waiting the train and one of the employees that
check for the people having a ticket or not (inside the train), provided me
a better/faster route.

Even if your experience has been different, I'm not making it. I've a
written complain and already a response from Belgium trains. They ask their
excuses, and confirm that it has not been updated (the info in the web site)
for years, and that it is not definitively accurate.

Regards,
Jordi




> From: Ole Jacobsen <ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com>
> Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen <ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 01:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
> To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
> Cc: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
> Subject: Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero,
> Sat 07:09
>
> Jordi,
>
> I have no idea how you managed to have such a bad experience. I
> travelled on German, Dutch and Belgian railways to/from Maastricht and
> all the info I got in advance was 100% accurate, right down to what
> platform the trains departed from.
>
> I did hear that there was some confusion about whether or not express
> trains ran on the weekends from Brussels, but beyond that I am not
> aware of the total chaos you describe.
>
> Ole
>
>
> Ole J. Jacobsen
> Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
> Cisco Systems
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>
>
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>
> > Hi Henk,
> >
> > In a previous discussion about this it was clear that was not the Dutch
> > railway, but the Belgium one ... However, it was recommended to use the fast
> > train from/to Brussels, as it was faster than to Amsterdam ... Clearly was
> > not the case.
> >
> > The secretariat does an on site visit. It is simple to add one more point
> > and question about the trains if this is going to be used by most of the
> > participants (as it was in this case) and actually there is not a good
> > international local airport.
> >
> > WE can't recommend train if we don't "sample" it.
> >
> > And you know, in this case was quite obvious. If you ask in the train
> > station, as I did (unfortunately too late), they will tell you:
> >
> > "Oh NO, don't believe at all at the information on the web site, it has not
> > been updated for ages !".
> >
> > I think we could have avoided and we SHOULD avoid this mess to the
> > participants.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jordi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: Henk Uijterwaal <henk(_at_)ripe(_dot_)net>
> > > Organization: RIPE NCC
> > > Reply-To: <henk(_at_)ripe(_dot_)net>
> > > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:38:23 +0200
> > > To: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
> > > Subject: Re: FW: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to
> > > Brussels-Nat-Aero, Sat 07:09
> > >
> > > Jordi,
> > >
> > > > Maastricht proved that the information provided by the train web sites was
> > > > totally FALSE.
> > > > This is something that the secretariat/IAOC SHOULD verify before accepting
> > > > a
> > > > venue.
> > > The Dutch railway site (www.ns.nl) is quite accurate.  It lists the trains,
> > > arrival time, departure time and location where you have to change trains.
> > > In the 6 years or so that I've been a regular train user, I still have to
> > > come across a case where the website listed a train that the NS did not
> > > intend to run.
> > >
> > > Of course, the system is as good as its input data.  If there is a
> > > technical problem or accident along a path, the website will notify
> > > you about that as soon as the data is entered.  In practice, this means
> > > some chaos and confusion the first 10-30 minutes after the incident,
> > > then decent warning messages appear.
> > >
> > > That said, please explain to me how the IAOC can verify that a train
> > > sometime in the future, will not run according to schedule.
> > >
> > > Henk
> > >
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