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Re: [Full-disclosure] IPv6 security myths

2010-10-27 10:50:06

On Oct 26, 2010, at 10:39 49PM, Fred Baker wrote:

I'm not a security guru, and will step aside instantly if someone with those 
credentials says I'm wrong. However, from my perspective, the assertion that 
IPv6 had any security properties that differed from IPv4 *at*all* has never 
made any sense. It is essentially a marketing claim, and - well, we all have 
marketing departments.


Actually, the claim was made, and was correct at the time under assumptions 
that proved false.

The core issue was indeed that IPsec was mandated for v6.  We were *very* 
overoptimistic about how long it would take before roll-out started in earnest. 
 In fact, we underestimated how long it would take to get good specs for all 
the important pieces.  We also underestimated how long IPsec would take, though 
that was partially (but only partially) because IPsec version 1 (RFCs 
1825-1829) had to be thrown away.

Quite simply, we assumed (in 1994) that IPv6 rollouts would start around 
1996-1997.  Given that, we didn't think that any vendors were going to bother 
adding IPsec to their v4 stacks.  If that had all come to pass, v6 would indeed 
have been more secure.  Even as late as 2000, I could still assert that v6 had 
some advantages; see http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/talks/v6-security/index.htm

We all know what happened.  It's 2010, and deployment is finally starting in 
earnest.  Virtually v4 stacks have IPsec.  There's a a way to send IPsec 
through NATs (under certain circumstances).  And no one cares much about 
host-to-host IPsec, as opposed to host-to-gateway VPNs.


                --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb





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