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Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-03-30 08:27:08
Olaf,

On Mar 30, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Olaf Kolkman wrote:


Dear Colleagues,

I have just chartered a very short draft that intends to update BCP101. It 
can be found at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kolkman-iasa-ex-officio-membership

The draft is very short and contains only a few sentences of substance:

  The IETF chair, the IAB chair, and the ISOC President/CEO may
  delegate their responsibilities to other persons.  The delegations by
  the IETF chair and the IAB chair need to be confirmed by the IESG and
  IAB respectively.  The terms of delegation is for a longer term for
  instance aligned with the IESG and IAB appointment cycles (roughly
  anual).

To clarify, from our 1:1 discussions, the intent is to allow the IETF chair to 
delegate their position on the IAB, IAOC, and IETF Trust, allow the IAB chair 
to delicate their position on the IAOC, IETF Trust, and IESG, and the ISOC 
President to delegate their position on the IAOC, IETF-Trust, and IAB.  From 
reading the discussion, it not clear to me that everyone understands this.

The above text does not say "delegate their ex-officio memberships", it says 
"delegate their responsibility".  That is it ways they can delegate all of 
their responsibility.  I don't think this was your intent, but if it was it 
goes too far.  Please clarify.


John Klensin made me aware he also had a similar idea earlier:
  http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-klensin-iaoc-member-00.txt

The main difference is between his and this draft is that John's I-D makes 
the person the chair delegates to a non-voting liaison. I have a small 
preference for the IAB and the IESG keeping the control point, and I 
implicitly assume that for IASA matters the persons delegated to will 
escalate to the chairs and ask for specific guidance when appropriate. I 
realize that for the Trust anybody serves on personal title. For the trust 
alignment with the IAOC membership is just a practical considerations.

With my IAOC hat on, I am concerned about the delegation of these roles to the 
IAOC.  I think the community has been well served by the IAOC having the IETF 
chair, IAB chair, and ISOC President as full voting members of the IAOC.  It 
has kept the IAOC from "going off the rails".  I am concerned that this 
proposal will weaken the effective governance model that has worked well.

I haven't checked yet, but would these proposed changes require changes to any 
of the IETF Trust documents?  More may have to change than BCP 101.  Did you 
check?

I don't have any issue with the delegation of the ex-officio responsibilities 
to/from the IAB and IESG.


The shared requirement is unloading the I* chairs and the ISOC president and 
empowering the people that serve in that role to organize themselves. (I 
should have paid more attention to this much earlier.)

I plan to seek a sponsoring AD for getting this I-D published as a BCP 
shortly. 


Doesn't a BCP require a 4 week last call?  I don't think this can or should be 
done quickly.  It's a non-trivial change.

Bob


Assuming this is an appropriate list for further discussion,
yours,

--Olaf


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Olaf M. Kolkman                        NLnet Labs
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http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/               1098 XG Amsterdam

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