Earlier, Paul Hoffman wrote, in part:
...the IESG just approved publication of X, even with
what appears to be a lack of consensus in the comments
on the ietf@ mailing list.
(some other text elided here.)
For a document such as this, why even ask for IETF consensus
if the IETF consensus doesn't matter?
(remaining text elided here.)
Next, as a reference, here is a boilerplate snippet from
a recent IETF Last Call:
The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
ietf at ietf.org mailing lists by 2011-07-21. Exceptionally, comments
may be sent to iesg at ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain
the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.
The "IETF Consensus" matters, and I believe the IESG
did fully and properly consider that matter in the case
that appears to have driven your note.
There appears to be a confusion underlying your note.
Paul's assertion that public postings to the IETF Discussion
list are the only metric for "IETF Consensus" is NOT correct
-- and never has been in the past.
"IETF Consensus" includes ALL of the inputs that the IESG
receives about a document or issue that is put to IETF
Last Call. The Last Call announcement specifically says,
for example, that comments may be sent privately to the
IESG.
Consensus inputs are NOT limited to posted public comments,
BUT ALSO include formal liaisons, communications with various
WG Chairs (not limited to the sponsoring WG), private email
to the IESG, private email to an AD, and more.
Note also that this is THE SAME as how WG Chairs are supposed
to operate. WG Chairs are supposed to consider ALL inputs,
NOT ONLY public postings to the WG list, BUT ALSO private
inputs from WG participants and other applicable folks,
and whatever other inputs arrive after a WG Last Call is
announced.
I hear that Paul H is unhappy with this particular outcome,
but there is no evidence of any kind of process problem
or process mistake here.
Yours,
Ran
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