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From: "Geoff Mulligan" <geoff(_at_)proto6(_dot_)com>
To: "Richard Shockey" <richard(_at_)shockey(_dot_)us>
Cc: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 5:34 PM
I also would vote to return to Minneapolis again and again even
permanently.
<tp>
So, would I despite London 2014 being only a train ride away.
Minneapolis has the flights, and flights across the Atlantic are so much
cheaper than those across Europe, has the range of hotels (and has the
possibility of extra-mural interests, although it is travel and hotel
costs that dominate my decision-making)
Tom Petch
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Geoff
On Aug 6, 2012, at 2:32 PM, "Richard Shockey" <richard(_at_)shockey(_dot_)us>
wrote:
[RS> ] +1 and no employer ever argued that going to Minneapolis was a
boondoggle. The Hilton in Minneapolis of all the IETF meetings I’ve
attended has the most optimal layout of meeting rooms etc.
If we were to choose one place in the U.S. to meet, Minneapolis is the
best choice IMHO. It's very reasonably priced, easy for many to get to
and the hotel has adequate space for us (even back when we had many more
attendees). Personally, the weather is not critical to me, since I
spend the vast majority of my time in the hotel meeting rooms, so I'm
very happy if we meet there in March and November.
Mary
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
<Chris(_dot_)Dearlove(_at_)baesystems(_dot_)com> wrote:
I've never been to an IETF meeting where the plane fare has exceeded
the hotel cost for a week. Caveats to that are that I have mostly gone
for IETF recommended hotels, so may have missed particularly cheap
hotels, and that I have only been to North American and Europe (but that
statistic includes Vancouver and the even further away western US cities
down to San Diego). And of course I fly economy, and it's much cheaper
including a Saturday night in your trip, even at the cost of an extra
night in a hotel (at least it is from here). An almost exception was
Paris this year where I was staying fairly cheaply, but that was a
cost-shared trip between me and my employer, and I didn't fly (I went by
train - though that's not cheaper, just better). Paris has cheap(er)
hotels and a metro I understand, so I felt less location constrained.
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When you are not close (time), flight cost may become higher in the
priority (over hotem)....
Flying to Vancouver for me for example is the most expensive
trip....even though the city is amazing and the host was wonderful!
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Dublin's problem was that the venue was isolated from the city. This
has also been the case with e.g. San Diego. (I'm assuming no personal
car.) Contrast with Minneapolis (and several other places) where you
were right in the city. Being in a city is better for lunch and dinner
options, taking a break to go to a bookshop (or to buy something you
forgot to bring) and so on. (I'm deliberately not including tourism
here.)
However at the moment my priorities to make being able to attend
possible would be time (so the closer to me the better - I realise
that's impossible globally), cost (hotel first, flight second, rest is
noise) and the ability to plan ahead to only attend part of the week.
This is the current economic reality. Dublin actually scores quite well
on those for me.
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Dublin panned? I thought it was one of the best venues and locations
of the last meetings.
What about Italy or Spain? I've never heard about an IETF in Italy.
I'm ok with meetings outside Italy since i like traveling very much, but
i was wondering why it has never been taken into account in the past
meetings. Is it expensive? I think Italy and Spain are much cheaper than
France, UK or Sweden, aren't they?
BR
Daniele
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On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 11:58:19AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote:
enough merely to have excellent staff. We need to go back to the
better places and benefit from the learning curve. This
doesn't mean
"no new venues" but it means fewer.
As a practical matter, may I ask about which venues you want
to return to? I get your argument in principle, but it seems
to me that there has been quite a lot of complaining in the
past. The one factor that seems to me most likely to reduce
complaints -- weather -- is evidently beyond the Secretariat's
or IAOC's control.
People seem inclined to return to the Hyatt in Vancouver,
elevators notwithstanding. We're going to do that. (I don't
understand why the previous Vencouver venue was less desirable
-- to me, these venues were very similar, and not very far
apart. I note, however, that the previous two Vancouver
visits were near the end of the year, when it rains all the
time in Vancouver.)
People complained at length about the venue in Paris, so I
presume it's out.
Some people complained about the hotel room prices and travel
expense in Taipei, though I heard remarks that it was a good venue.
Should we try to return there?
People complained in advance about getting to Québec, although
afterwards I heard lots of good noises about that venue. I
note that the weather was great. Should we try to return?
I don't recall much complaining about the Prague venue in
2011, which was striking to me because very little seemed
different to me compared to our first visit there. Perhaps
this is evidence of the "tuning"
you suggest (ensuring the water bottles were plastic, for instance).
But I note the weather was excellent.
Beijing? I guess Maastricht is out. Anaheim (FWIW, I thought
that was an example of a terrible location, but many people
seemed happy with it)? Hiroshima? Stockholm? San Francisco
(we thought the crime at Paris was bad, yet didn't complain
about being smack up against the Tenderloin)? Or there's the
old standby, Minneapolis; perhaps we could do it in March.
The Dublin venue was panned by large numbers of people.
Philadelphia, people complained about expense. Chicago, too
(combined with hotel renovations).
That gets us back through 2007. Which of the venues do you
think we should return to, to which we already haven't
returned or planned to return? And why?
For what it's worth, I would not complain about returning to
any of those venues; I personally had good meetings at all of
them except Hiroshima, which I missed due to other
commitments. That includes both Maastricht and Dublin, which
were both apparently trials for large numbers of others.
Best,
A
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