Hi Hannes,
At 07:33 15-08-2012, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
they make sense (at least to most of us, as folks noted in this
discussion thread). The 'Openness', for example, is in my view
extremely important since it allows relevant stakeholders to
participate: Think about how low the barrier is to participate in
the IETF. If you believe that the process has any impact on the
quality of the specifications then the principles listed in the
document may resonate with you.
Here's what I read on some random web site:
'The [removed] is an open standards organization, allowing any entity or
individual to participate in its standards development process as long as
they follow the [removed] rules. "Open" does not mean "free," and
participation in standards development is never completely "free."'
Let's replace the name with "IETF":
The IETF is an open standards organization, allowing any entity or
individual to participate in its standards development process as long as
they follow the "Note Well".
IETF meeting participation is not free as there is an attendance
fee. However, nobody will check your badge and ask you to leave if
you don't have one. Mailing list participation is open. You don't
need to pay a fee; there isn't any rule to force a participant to
subscribe to the mailing list.
In my opinion "openness" is not about stakeholders. Stakeholders is
a code word for a party who stands to win or lose money or market
share based on the outcome of a decision.
The process has a negative impact on the quality of
specifications. There are odd cases where it has a positive
impact. You can either have a specification of high quality which
people disagree with or you can have a specification of average
quality which people can agree with.
Many may consider these principles as so obvious that they are not
worthwhile to write down. Unfortunately, they are not as obvious as
one might think. There are other ways to do
Yes.
standardization and, as we have seen in the discussions on this
list, some would like to change the rules of the game. I believe
that this will have negative consequences for the Internet eco-
You may have seen the press release where "stakeholders from across
industry, civil society and general public are encouraged to make
their voices heard". The words in the affirmation will be diluted
and they will lose their original meaning.
Regards,
-sm