Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

I do not really think the legal angle is helpful in resolving this problem.
 (Which country's laws do we need to comply with?)  Let's treat these legal
ideas as considerations that we should be thinking about, not something
where we should be striving for strict compliance.

--Richard



On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Mary Barnes 
<mary(_dot_)ietf(_dot_)barnes(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Jorge Contreras 
> <cntreras(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Margaret Wasserman 
> > <mrw(_at_)lilacglade(_dot_)org>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Stewart,
> > >
> > > On Mar 20, 2013, at 2:04 AM, Stewart Bryant 
> > > <stbryant(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com> wrote:
> > > > Age
> > > > Disability
> > > > Gender reassignment
> > > > Marriage and civil partnership
> > > > Pregnancy and maternity
> > > > Race
> > > > Religion and belief
> > > > Sex
> > > > Sexual orientation
> > > The U.S. has a similar (although not identical) list, and it may vary a
> > > bit state-by-state.
> > > > If we are going to have an itemized list of diversity characteristics,
> > > > we should not pick and choose, we should include the full list.
> >
> > I would strongly recommend that legal counsel be consulted before any
> such
> > "list" is produced or used by IETF/IESG/Nomcom.  (FYI, this is totally
> > outside my own area of legal expertise, so IAOC would need to incur some
> > expense to hire competent counsel in this area)
> [MB] I agree 100%.  IETF is not at all qualified to define hiring
> criteria or practices. Unfortunately, they do it all the time.  The
> model in place IMHO would not stand up to the scrutiny of any major US
> company's HR dept.  And, of course, the HR departments are the ones
> responsible for ensuring the laws in a specific area are met.   [/MB]
> > > While I certainly wouldn't suggest we start discriminating based on
> _any_
> > > of these factors, it is very difficult to measure our results in some of
> > > these areas, as we do not collect this information from IETF attendees,
> nor
> > > do we publish the age, disability status, gender status, marital status,
> > > religion or sexual orientation of our I* members.
> >
> > What records *do* exist regarding the identify of IETF leadership?  Is
> there
> > a central repository of at least names/companies of IESG members and/or
> WG
> > leaders?