On 6/19/13 1:12 PM, Doug Barton wrote:
On 06/19/2013 11:40 AM, Aaron Yi DING wrote:
On 19/06/13 21:16, Doug Barton wrote:
On 06/19/2013 11:11 AM, Melinda Shore wrote:
On 6/19/13 10:03 AM, Doug Barton wrote:
Short version, if everyone does what they can to encourage diverse
participation, we won't need "legislation" to fix the problem.
I'd like it if that were true but I don't think it is. For example,
the majority of academic librarians are women (one demographic
survey I saw said 80%) but the majority of academic library directors
are men (again, ~80%).
It's not clear to me how this example relates to the IETF.
On 19/06/13 18:33, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
Academia is still one of the worst environments for discrimination.
They don't have formal barriers as in the past but the informal
barriers are steep.
Relating to the statement above(I assume Phillip is addressing the US
Academia), not quite sure are we still discussing the same topic? sorry,
I am bit confused .. since IETF is an international organization.
We can point to all kinds of examples that are outside the IETF of where
various biases exist. It's not at all clear that the existence of those
problems elsewhere corresponds to any actual problem within our
organization.
That is NOT to say that we don't have a problem, only that making
conclusions based on unrelated data is bad science.
On the other hand, every organization thinks it is special, and most
aren't. :-)
Peter
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