Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

On Jul 28, 2013, at 10:14 AM, Marc Petit-Huguenin <petithug(_at_)acm(_dot_)org> 
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> On 07/28/2013 09:47 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
> > On Jul 28, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Marc Petit-Huguenin 
> > <petithug(_at_)acm(_dot_)org> wrote:
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> > > On 07/28/2013 09:10 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
> > > > On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Keith Moore 
> > > > <moore(_at_)network-heretics(_dot_)com> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Jul 28, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Melinda Shore wrote:
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> > > > > > On 7/27/13 8:13 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
> > > > > > > yup.  i guess it is time for my quarterly suggestion to remove
> > > > > > > the projectors and screens.
> > > > > > Then I guess it's time for my quarterly "I'd be good with that."
> > > > > As would I.
> > > > Me too, as long as we get whiteboards or flip-charts in their stead.
> > > What about people at the back of the room who cannot see what you write
> > > on the whiteboard or flip-charts? (at least slides can be downloaded on 
> > > laptop/tablet if too far from the projection screen)
> > >
> > > What about people following remotely?
> > There are some technological solutions, like electronic whiteboards, or 
> > cameras pointed at whiteboards/flipboards. Frame rate makes no difference.
> >
> > Work is done through conversation. If we use a presentation, the
> > conversation is scripted. I, the presenter, say stuff. You, the audience,
> > can only reply. When we collaborate to develop something at work, we hardly
> > ever do it with a presentation. Presentations work best for tutorial and
> > for showing proposals.
> >
> > > What about people who have difficulties understanding the speaker
> > > without some sort of context?
> > With some speakers, context doesn't help. Slides help bad enunciation.
> > They usually don't help missing context.
> >
> > > What about being able to understand the problem that will be discussed 
> > > before the session, so to cut on the "thinking out loud" on the 
> > > microphone?
> > That's what drafts are for.
> >
> > > Do you have a presentation during IETF 87? (I already checked that Randy,
> > > Keith and Melinda do not).  I would be really interested to see how
> > > this could work.
> > I have three. I don't get a flip-chart, so I do have slide-sets. There is
> > one 5-minute thing that I'm going to do with hand-waving and no slides,
> > but otherwise, I'm doing things the way that people expect them to be.
> I can not find your presentations in the agendas.  Please tell me when they
> are and I'll rent a flip-chart.
There's one in IPsec.

The other two are chairs slides in httpauth and websec. The former are not yet 
up.